<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=iso-8859-1"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>Hello Richard,</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for your reply!</div><div><br></div><div><div>You can see alleys as a destination-only road: you can drive through them, but they are definitively not a shortcut, as you need to drive slowly.</div></div><div><br></div><div><div>It seems that a living street is still a street, i.e. you have the main entrance of houses on the living streets. Green alleys (and alleys in general), at least in Montreal, are service roads between two roads.</div><div><br></div><div><div>For example, take this alley in Montréal:</div><div><a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/218960041">http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/218960041</a></div><div><br></div><div>It is a small, one lane road between the Wolfe and Amherst streets. It separates the buildings of both streets and provide access to local residents' backyard or parking.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I have created a wiki page for a new alley=green_alley tag:</div><div><a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/green_alley">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/green_alley</a></div></div></div><div><br></div><div>I also posted on tagging:</div><div><a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2013-August/014514.html">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2013-August/014514.html</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Guillaume</div><br><div><div>Le 2013-08-17 à 23:29, Richard Weait <<a href="mailto:richard@weait.com">richard@weait.com</a>> a écrit :</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 9:53 PM, Guillaume Pratte<br><<a href="mailto:guillaume@guillaumepratte.net">guillaume@guillaumepratte.net</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">Hello,<br><br>I would like to have some advise on how best identify "green alleys" in<br>OpenStreetMap data.<br><br>"Green alleys" (ruelles vertes in French) are alleys that a group of local<br>residents embellish with vegetation.<br><br>Here is the Wikipedia page on the subject in Montréal:<br><a href="http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruelle_verte">http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruelle_verte</a><br><br>Here is a link in English:<br>http://kandkadventures.com/green-alleys-of-montreal/<br><br>These green alleys are identifiable because they have dedicated signs for<br>them:<br>http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WTMTL_T52_DSF2289.JPG<br></blockquote><br>Thank you for adding this to the list, and the data base. Green<br>Alleys look pretty great. I was not aware of them before this thread.<br><br>If I understand the article that you linked, it appears that there are<br>some widely varied Green Alleys. For example, some allow vehicles and<br>some don't. From the point of view of OpenStreetMap data, that's<br>fairly important. It may be that a single "green Alley" tag, just<br>won't be sufficient. Fair enough. Other tags are lacking in that way<br>as well.<br><br>A quick look at taginfo found several places named Green Alley, but no<br>keys or non-name tags for green alley. So it seems the term is not<br>presently in use in the OpenStreetMap database.<br><br>I suggest two things.<br><br>For tagging now, and adding Green Alleys to the data base as the<br>opportunity arises, use un-controversial tags. highway=service;<br>service=alley, seem pretty clear. Access tags like vehicle=no;<br>foot=no; bicycle=no seem like they would be useful when they depart<br>from typical values for highway=service.<br><br>For any new tagging, I think you'll want to consult more widely than<br>just talk-ca. I wonder, in this case, if a Green Alley is close<br>enough to a living street to share a tag? talk@ or tagging@ seem like<br>a good place for the discussion.<br><br>Best regards,<br><br>Richard<br></blockquote></div><br></body></html>