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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-CA link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Cool !, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I’ll not being asked anymore by my GPS to make a U-turn ASAP when I get in an uncorrected motorway link, or worst…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Being asked to drive for more than 100 Km on secondary roads, up to the next adequate link !<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks again…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Harald Kliems [mailto:kliems@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> January-16-14 17:30<br><b>To:</b> Daniel Begin<br><b>Cc:</b> Connors, Bernie (SNB); Talk-CA OpenStreetMap<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Talk-ca] GPS and Motorway links ...<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>I am happy to report that all of Canada should now be free of this issue! I just fixed the last one all the way west in Saint John's. Yay!<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> Harald.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 6:03 PM, Harald Kliems <<a href="mailto:kliems@gmail.com" target="_blank">kliems@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Some updates on this issue:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I contacted Martijn a while ago with the suggestion of running this as a Maproulette. He liked the idea but I haven't heard back in a while. He also asked me how many cases we're talking about and based on the Overpass query mentioned upthread I came to the conclusion that the number is actually not that high (maybe 400 cases in all of Canada at the most). Therefore I've started fixing the issue manually and already cleaned up all of Quebec. It took me several hours, but that's partly because you always discover other issues to take care of as you go along (e.g. missing motorway_junction, name vs. exit_to on those junctions etc.). <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I'll continue working on this in Ontario now and I encourage others to go ahead in the other provinces, too. Just run <a href="http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1CI" target="_blank">http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1CI</a> on the appropriate bounding box and then go through each of the spots that come up. If there is hi-res Bing imagery available the fix will be obvious; and if not common sense should still tell you if a segment is oneway=yes or oneway=no. I have added a oneway tag to every motorway_link segment, both to avoid any misunderstanding with the default and to allow me to track the progress on the Overpass map.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> Harald.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Harald Kliems <<a href="mailto:kliems@gmail.com" target="_blank">kliems@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>So before contacting Martijn I want to be sure that we can properly identify the potentially problematic ways. What we are looking for are ways that match the following query:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>(highway="motorway_link") AND (NOT oneway=*) AND (lanes!="1") <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Or in natural language: ways that are motorway links but don't have the oneway tag nor are tagged as having one lane. If you want to test this query, go to this link <a href="http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1CI" target="_blank">http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1CI</a> and adjust the bounding box coordinates for the desired area.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Comments?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#888888'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#888888'> Harald.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Daniel Begin <<a href="mailto:jfd553@hotmail.com" target="_blank">jfd553@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The example I provided yesterday was not fixed. Most the exits having a similar look along the trans-Canada Highway in Quebec are the same. I have also found examples in Alberta and In BC.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Daniel</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Harald Kliems [mailto:<a href="mailto:kliems@gmail.com" target="_blank">kliems@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> November-26-13 10:04<br><b>To:</b> Daniel Begin<br><b>Cc:</b> Connors, Bernie (SNB); Talk-CA OpenStreetMap</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Talk-ca] GPS and Motorway links ...<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I can write an email to Martijn with a proposal. Does anyone have a link to an exit that has not been fixed yet to use as an example?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> Harald.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Daniel Begin <<a href="mailto:jfd553@hotmail.com" target="_blank">jfd553@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It seems to me it is the only safe solution. I go for <a href="http://maproulette.org" target="_blank">maproulette.org</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Daniel</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Connors, Bernie (SNB) [mailto:<a href="mailto:Bernie.Connors@snb.ca" target="_blank">Bernie.Connors@snb.ca</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> November-26-13 08:19<br><b>To:</b> 'Harald Kliems'; Daniel Begin<br><b>Cc:</b> Talk-CA OpenStreetMap<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Talk-ca] GPS and Motorway links ...</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>+1 for the Maproulette.org solution.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Bernie.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#17365D'>--</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#17365D'>Bernie Connors, P.Eng</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#C00000'>Tel: <a href="tel:506-444-2077" target="_blank">506-444-2077</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#C00000'><a href="mailto:bernie.connors@snb.ca" target="_blank">bernie.connors@snb.ca</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>SNB – We make it happen…</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><img border=0 width=284 height=57 id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image001.jpg@01CF12FD.0822ADB0" alt="SAG_Logo_2013"></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Harald Kliems [<a href="mailto:kliems@gmail.com" target="_blank">mailto:kliems@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 2013-11-25 5:05 PM<br><b>To:</b> Daniel Begin<br><b>Cc:</b> Talk-CA OpenStreetMap<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Talk-ca] GPS and Motorway links ...</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Daniel Begin <<a href="mailto:jfd553@hotmail.com" target="_blank">jfd553@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hooo, I see, and I also see there was not a large consensus on that point (Discussion) since all other ways are having a different behavior…</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>About all motorway_link in Canada are having the same problem!</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I don't know, I rarely encounter this issue in practice. Adding oneway=no to all motorway_link seems rather dangerous and counterproductive. The best solution would probably be to create a query that will find all imported motorway_link that have not been touched since the import and then check them. Depending on how big the task is we could ask Martijn to set it up as a Maproulette (<a href="http://maproulette.org/" target="_blank">http://maproulette.org/</a>). Or we set up a wiki page to coordinate people going through all the motorways/exits and make sure everything is okay by hand. There are only 33 Autoroutes in Quebec after all :-)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> Harald.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>-- <br>Please use encrypted communication whenever possible!<br>Key-ID: 0x34cb93972f186565 <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <br>Please use encrypted communication whenever possible!<br>Key-ID: 0x34cb93972f186565 <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <br>Please use encrypted communication whenever possible!<br>Key-ID: 0x34cb93972f186565 <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <br>Please use encrypted communication whenever possible!<br>Key-ID: 0x34cb93972f186565 <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></body></html>