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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I’ve added the place node to both relations after discussions with Nominatim experts. It’s a bit strange, but so is the situation. It seems to fix the queries you gave.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Pierre Béland [mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr] <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 21, 2014 7:52 PM<br><b>To:</b> Pierre Béland; William Rieck; Paul Norman<br><b>Cc:</b> talk-ca<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Talk-ca] Updating Langley and use of alt_name?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Oups I was wrong in identifiying the polygons in JOSM. <br><br>These are two adjacent polygons, the city being surrounded by the township. The difference in spelling comes from the alt_name=Langley. <br><br>I should have mapped for the Night of the living map instead. Or maybe not!<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><b><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#0000BF'>Pierre </span></i></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>De :</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Pierre Béland <<a href="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr">pierzenh@yahoo.fr</a>><br><b>À :</b> William Rieck <<a href="mailto:billr@thinkers.org">billr@thinkers.org</a>>; Paul Norman <<a href="mailto:penorman@mac.com">penorman@mac.com</a>> <br><b>Cc :</b> talk-ca <<a href="mailto:talk-ca@openstreetmap.org">talk-ca@openstreetmap.org</a>> <br><b>Envoyé le :</b> Vendredi 21 février 2014 21h53<br><b>Objet :</b> Re: [Talk-ca] Updating Langley and use of alt_name?</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id=yiv4610728655><div><div><div id=yiv4610728655><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Looking at the Township and City of Langley, I see that these relations are duplicate polygons that share the exact same nodes. Then why two relations? Instead, would it be better to simply use alt_name for the city, added to the Township of Langley. Such Classification where you have two admin_level=8 for the same area is a nonsense to my point of view. <br><br>To show the inconsistencies that this creates, let's have a look at the Nominatim links below. You will see how the Locality, Suburb, Residential highways etc. are shared between the two. And most of the item are classified under the Township. Some other elements under the City. But searching Nominatims, you will see places classified either und the Township, the City of simply Langley.<br><br>For example, if you search in Nominatim for <o:p></o:p></span></p><ul type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Livingstone, <b>Langley</b>. Canada, this will be reported as <span class=yiv4610728655name>Livingstone, Township of Langley, Greater Vancouver Regional District, British-Columbia, Canada</span><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white'><span class=yiv4610728655name><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>10 Avenue, <b>Township of Langley,</b> Greater Vancouver Regional District, Colombie-Britannique, Canada</span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white'><span class=yiv4610728655name><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Brookswood, Township of Langley</span></b></span><span class=yiv4610728655name><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>, Greater Vancouver Regional District, Colombie-Britannique, Canada</span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white'><span class=yiv4610728655name><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>201A Street, <b>Brookswood, Langley</b>, Greater Vancouver Regional District, Colombie-Britannique, Canada</span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><br>The best seems to make a choice for which locality title will be showed to describe Langley and use an alt_name tag to describe the second appellation<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><div id="yiv4610728655yui_3_13_0_ym1_16_1392914239634_29"><ul type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>City Boundary <a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2031947" target="_blank" id="yiv4610728655yui_3_13_0_ym1_16_1392914239634_33">Township of Langley, Greater Vancouver Regional District, Colombie-Britannique, Canada<br>http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2031947<br>http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/details.php?place_id=9164399767<br><br></a><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul></div><div id="yiv4610728655yui_3_13_0_ym1_16_1392914239634_23"><ul type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>City Boundary <a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2031946" target="_blank" id="yiv4610728655yui_3_13_0_ym1_16_1392914239634_36">City of Langley, Greater Vancouver Regional District, Colombie-Britannique, Canada<br>http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2031946<br>http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/details.php?place_id=98083231<br></a><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id="yiv4610728655yui_3_13_0_ym1_16_1392914239634_10"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv4610728655yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1392914239634_101283"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#0000BF'>Pierre <br><br></span></i></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv4610728655yui_3_13_0_ym1_16_1392914239634_17"><div id="yiv4610728655yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1392914239634_101285"><div id="yiv4610728655yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1392914239634_101284"><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>De :</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> William Rieck <<a href="mailto:billr@thinkers.org">billr@thinkers.org</a>><br><b>À :</b> Paul Norman <<a href="mailto:penorman@mac.com">penorman@mac.com</a>> <br><b>Cc :</b> talk-ca <<a href="mailto:talk-ca@openstreetmap.org">talk-ca@openstreetmap.org</a>> <br><b>Envoyé le :</b> Vendredi 21 février 2014 12h09<br><b>Objet :</b> Re: [Talk-ca] Updating Langley and use of alt_name?</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id=yiv4610728655yqt62919><div id=yiv4610728655yqt92164><div id=yiv4610728655><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Hi Paul, I was following your message until this statement, where I got confused. Are you saying the city of Langley is not a city? What do you mean by "in British English"?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id=yiv4610728655yqtfd63779><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><br>That's all fairly simple, but the place node is more complicated. Langley is<br>not a "city" in British English, but a "town".<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id=yiv4610728655yqtfd82444><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>Talk-ca mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id=yqt49677><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>Talk-ca mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org">Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>