<div dir="ltr"><p dir="ltr">I would think it's the parts that give them the power to revoke the license to use the data at any time. For it to be used in OSM, it has to be essentially surrendered to the map. When I joined two years ago, one of the stipulations was to specifically accept the licensing agreement of OSM which effectively had me surrender any and all edits to OSM. It would reserve the right to maintain, modify, delete and otherwise use any information that I inputted as their own. Which makes complete sense, else if I were to become vindictive, I could try to "revoke" my license and they would have to remove my edits, which is difficult and potentially damaging.</p><p dir="ltr">Specifically, as Steward mentioned, Ottawa has the reserved the right of cancellation of access to the data:<br></p><p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><i>The City may, in its sole discretion, cancel or suspend your access to the datasets without notice and for any reason, including anything which the City, in its sole discretion, believes is a breach of these Terms of Use or is otherwise unlawful or harmful to others. In the event of cancellation or suspension, you will no longer be authorized to use or reproduce these datasets, and the City may use any means possible to enforce its decision. Such cancellation or suspension will not affect any person who has received the datasets from you and who is otherwise in compliance with these Terms of Use.</i></span><br></p><p>Basically, they can revoke the access and OSM will be forced to comply, removing the data and, as a result, any edits made that were based off that data. The other problem is the Liability clause. If they feel the use was a breach, then they may sue, indemnifying OSM and making it open to litigation. We, as users, don't have the right to do that.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Aug 20, 2015 4:59 PM, "James" <<a href="mailto:james2432@gmail.com" target="_blank">james2432@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I got an email back from the guy handling the Licensing.<br><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Hi
James, thank-you for the email. I’m not sure I understand the
compatibility grid. Is there a particular issue you are concerned
about?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Note:
we have plans to adapt the Open Government License Canada but have not
been able to do that quite yet; however, there are few differences
between the
two, so if there’s a specific item you are concerned about it I might
be able to shed some light on how we treat it.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><br>
Thank-you,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Robert Giggey<br>---<br></span><br>What would be the specifics of our license (ODbL) incompatible with Ottawa-TOU?<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 10:14 AM, James <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:james2432@gmail.com" target="_blank">james2432@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Email I got after I said I will be unable to use the data due to incompatible licensing:<br><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">James,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I’m
going to forward this inquiry on to Robert Giggey. He is in charge of
the Open Data program at the City. I must say, I am a little surprised
that this interpretation
is so restrictive. I personally was not aware of this. I will also
follow-up with Robert in this regard.</span></p>
<b><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#365f91">-Stephen<br><br></span></b></div><br>Maybe, they just needed some education? P.s. thank you Stewart for the comparison tool!<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 9:23 AM, Stewart C. Russell <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:scruss@gmail.com" target="_blank">scruss@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi James —<br>
<span><br>
> What should I tell Stephen, to change the license for just OSM or in whole?<br>
<br>
</span>For simplicity, they'd need to change the licence for everyone. A<br>
special carve-out for OSM alone would be fraught with problems.<br>
<br>
Ideally, they'd chose a licence that isunencumbered, like CC0 or PDDL.<br>
Any attempt to roll your own licence adds compatibility problems, and<br>
municipalities do love to keep those little clauses in that allow them<br>
to recall data.<br>
<br>
If you want to show Stephen how compatible and open the city's licence<br>
isn't, show him this:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://clipol.org/licences/16?tab=licence_compatibility" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://clipol.org/licences/16?tab=licence_compatibility</a><br>
<br>
It shows how Canadian municipalities all shared and tweaked licences,<br>
and inadvertently made them incompatible with everything. And they<br>
complain about why no-one uses their data.<br>
<br>
If they do want to change (great!), I know there are some folks on this<br>
list just itching for a roadtrip to the NCR to do some municipal education …<br>
<br>
cheers,<br>
Stewart<br>
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