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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thank for your participation Ken,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Your proposal on trunk looks good but I could you distinguish between trunk and primary roads?
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I would find difficult to make the difference between a trunk and a primary road (even some secondary) since most of them
<i>are linking two or more cities, ports, … be the recommended route for long-distance and freight traffic.
<o:p></o:p></i></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Furthermore, as far as I remember, there used to be an agreement on this list about primary roads tagging. The result is still available under Canada/primary
roads on <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway:International_equivalence">
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway:International_equivalence</a>. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">At least one of your examples contradicts the above.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">This thread started last summer when I saw most of the primary roads converted to trunk in my neighbourhood. The concerned contributor and I do not interpret
the trunk and primary roads definitions the same. Do you have in mind some “easily identifiable criteria” that would make him and I tag a primary or trunk road the same? My initial proposal was not about the best definition, but about a definition that would
make most of us using the same tag while mapping. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">But maybe it does not matter…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Daniel<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Ken Wuschke [mailto:chandler.vancouver@gmail.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> January-27-16 12:44<br>
<b>To:</b> Begin Daniel<br>
<b>Cc:</b> talk-ca<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Talk-ca] Highway recoding<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I still lean towards function over design as how to define a trunk road.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The present <span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Tag: highway=trunk for </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#00B050">high performance roads that don't
meet the requirement for motorway</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> actually is inclusive of the function of the highway. All that is required is further the definition to clarify this point. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">For a moment I stepped out of OSM's definitions and took at look to Wikipedia which says:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#660000">"</span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#660000">A trunk road, trunk highway, or strategic road is a major road,
usually connecting two or more cities, ports, airports and other places, which is the recommended route for long-distance and freight traffic. Many trunk roads have segregated lanes in a </span><span style="color:#660000"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_carriageway" title="Dual carriageway"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";text-decoration:none">dual
carriageway</span></a></span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#660000">, or are of motorway standard." </span></i><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#660000"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trunk_road">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trunk_road</a></span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I note that this description is more about the purpose of the highway than if it is 2-lanes or 4-lanes, has a dividing barrier, limited access interchanges,
etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">While focusing on the design of a highway to determine if it should be a trunk, primary, secondary, tertiary, or residential is far easier to define over the
function/purpose of highway it, IMO, misses the point of what a map should be providing. Information to the user as how to travel efficiency from point A to point B.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Turning to existing examples of provincial and state maps for guidance I find these examples:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Alberta - <a href="http://bit.ly/1ZT3Sz0">http://bit.ly/1ZT3Sz0</a> - It shows the following three levels. (1) Freeways. (2) Paved provincial highways regardless as to the number
of lanes. (3) Gravel surfaced highways.</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Saskatchewan - <a href="http://bit.ly/1OPB7Ag">http://bit.ly/1OPB7Ag</a> - (1) Divided highways. (2) Paved provincial highways regardless as to the number of lanes. (3) Thin membrane
surfaces - important for heavily load trucks. (4) Gravel surfaces.</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Washington state - <a href="http://1.usa.gov/1KFy1uI">http://1.usa.gov/1KFy1uI</a> - (1) Interstate. (2) Dual carriageway design state highways. (3) Undivided state highways. (4)
County/local roads.</span><o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">When I look at these I find them easy to understand the network between destinations versus having design being the primary focus.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Therefore I'd like to suggest the follow definition for Tag: highway=trunk:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#0B5394">high performance roads that don't meet the requirement for motorway design standards and linking two or more cities, ports, airports and other places, which
is the recommended route for long-distance and freight traffic.</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">There can be a further definition for clarity. For example, I would classify Quebec Highway 133 - <a href="http://bit.ly/1RNQooL">http://bit.ly/1RNQooL</a>
- which links Autoroute 35 to the United States and Interstate 89. However, Quebec Highway 133 does not have any major destination along its route itself.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Looking forward to further discussion,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Ken</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 8:31 AM, Begin Daniel <<a href="mailto:jfd553@hotmail.com" target="_blank">jfd553@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Well, I am not sure about the conclusion at this point but in order to move forward, here are some
definitions I would propose using </span><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#00B050">wiki’s definitions</span></i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#00B050">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">and current tread discussions:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Tag: highway=motorway to
</span><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#00B050">identify the highest-performance roads within a territory. Typically, these controlled-access highways have a minimum of two lanes in each direction that are separated
by a barrier</span></i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#00B050">…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Tag: highway=trunk for
</span><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#00B050">high performance roads that don't meet the requirement for motorway</span></i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">. In Canada,
these roads must have some of the controlled-access features found on a motorway.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Tag: highway=primary for
</span><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#00B050">major highway linking large towns … The traffic for both directions is usually not separated by a central barrier</span></i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">.
In Canada, these roads usually have none of the controlled-access features found on trunk and motorway.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Most of the confusion comes from the governmental pdf document, cited in the Canadian tagging guidelines
(wiki), which uses definitions that do not correspond to those of OSM. Once most of us agree on a set of definitions, starting using the above, we should provide adjusted definitions in the wiki and remove the pdf document.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hope it will help
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Daniel</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Chandler
Vancouver [mailto:<a href="mailto:chandler.vancouver@gmail.com" target="_blank">chandler.vancouver@gmail.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> January-26-16 16:49<br>
<b>To:</b> Stewart Russell<br>
<b>Cc:</b> talk-ca<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Talk-ca] Highway recoding</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Completely agree, Stewart.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Similarly I live just off a road I would consider to be a tertiary level road. It runs for only 4 km and links up residential side streets, a high school, an elementary school and
a small scale commercial zone. It is only two lanes wide but for over 50% of its length has a centre boulevard or a centre dual left turn lane. As well, less than 25% of its length has residences that off it and none where you can park on the road itself.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Where it meets four main crossroads the intersections are as follows:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Intersection D: a stop sign with the crossroad given full priority over the road in question.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">In addition there is a walking trail that crosses with a pedestrian activated signal but with an advanced warning signal as described at <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada:British_Columbia#Highways_and_provincial_roads" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada:British_Columbia#Highways_and_provincial_roads</a>
under "trunk".<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Driving the full length you would know it is a tertiary level route, yet I can take photographs of the route that could lead you to believe it is a trunk road.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Another example is SW Marine Drive between Camosun Street and the University of British Columbia -
<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/255865854#map=15/49.2428/-123.2196" target="_blank">
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/255865854#map=15/49.2428/-123.2196</a> . It is designed at the level described for trunk road at
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http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada:British_Columbia#Highways_and_provincial_roads</a>, yet the OSM contributors have designated it as secondary highway.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I don't find this a "<span style="font-size:9.5pt">maddening" as you say, but then I feel we could adopt a more UK approach to the definition then a infrastructure/design POV.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Stewart Russell <<a href="mailto:scruss@gmail.com" target="_blank">scruss@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>A trunk road is not necessarily divided. The limited access part means that it's not residential. It has to go from a town or city to another town or city. It predates or has lesser capacity than a motorway.
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<p>It's one of these maddening "know one when I see one" definitions that makes perfect sense in the UK but is difficult elsewhere.
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<p>Much of the Trans-Canada, f'rinstance, would be considered a trunk road. <o:p>
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<p>Cheers<span style="color:#888888"><br>
Stewart</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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