<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462760982998_97917"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462760982998_97961" dir="ltr">Je
crois aussi qu'il serait mieux d'avoir divers projets. Cependant, il faut planifier avant d'ajouter de nouveaux projet et de
demander aux bénévoles, de passer des heures à contribuer à de tels
projets. <br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462760982998_98106" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462760982998_98105" dir="ltr">Pour motiver les contributeurs OSM à participer et maintenir la participation, Il est important de justifier la démarche, de déterminer ce qui
sera vraiment utile en terme opérationnel pour supporter les équipes
sur le terrain. Et de là, nous devons prioriser nos actions. <br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462760982998_97962"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462760982998_97963" dir="ltr"><br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462760982998_97964"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462760982998_97965" dir="ltr">En quoi sera utile ce travail, comment aidera-t-il au niveau opérationnel? immeubles ? adresses? etc<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462760982998_97966"><br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462760982998_97967"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462760982998_97968" dir="ltr">La
carte interactive de la ville de Wood Buffalo contient les données
cadastrales, incluant les immeubles et les limites de chaque terrain
cela pour Fort McMurray, Anzac, Gregoire Lake, etc. <br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462760982998_98342" dir="ltr"><a id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462760982998_98386" href="http://view.rmwb.ca/#!/">http://view.rmwb.ca/#!/</a><br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462760982998_97969"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462760982998_97970"><br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462760982998_97971"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462760982998_97972">Espérons que système de backup est assuré pour toutes la base de données et le serveur de la municipalité!<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462760982998_98543"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462760982998_98541">Infomatinos beaucoup
plus précises et à date que ce que nous pouvons réaliser à partir d'imagerie Bing. Et des équipes spécialisées,
incluant les compagnies d'assurance et les municipalités vont faire des
évaluations au cours de prochaines semaines. <br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462760982998_97973"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462760982998_97974"><br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462760982998_97975"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462760982998_97976">La
Croix-Rouge canadienne ne pourrait-elle pas simplement obtenir des
infos directement des municipalités et de la Sécurité civile d'Alberta
puisque celles-ci auront à coordonner ces évaluations? <br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462760982998_97977"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462760982998_97978"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462760982998_97979"> </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462760982998_97980" dir="ltr">Les
adresses sont sûrement des infos utiles pour les équipes qui se
déplacent sur le terrain. Elles ne sont pas affichée sur la carte de
Wood Buffulo. Pour ajouter les adresses, nous pourrions utiliser les
données d'interpolation de Geobase. Plus simple et rapide. Mais encore
là, y a-t-il des sources disponibles déja, et peut-être pour chaque
immeuble? C'est sans doute ce que les équipes veulent avoir pour mieux
se repérer. Les municipalités ont sans doute une base de donnée adresse
géolocalisée et très précise.<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462760982998_97981"></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462760982998_97982"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462760982998_97983" style="font-style:italic;color:rgb(0, 0, 191);font-weight:bold;"> <br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462760982998_97984"><font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462760982998_97985" face="garamond, new york, times, serif">Pierre </font><br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462760982998_97986"></span></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462760982998_97916"> </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462760982998_97891" class="signature"><span style="font-style:italic;color:rgb(0, 0, 191);font-weight:bold;"> <br><font face="garamond, new york, times, serif">Pierre </font><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462760982998_97892" class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div style="display: block;" class="yahoo_quoted"> <div style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, linéale; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">De :</span></b> James <james2432@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">À :</span></b> john whelan <jwhelan0112@gmail.com> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc :</span></b> Paul Norman <penorman@mac.com>; "talk-ca@openstreetmap.org" <talk-ca@openstreetmap.org><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Envoyé le :</span></b> lundi 9 mai 2016 18h30<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Objet :</span></b> Re: [Talk-ca] Fort McMurray forest fires<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv0673076126"><div><div dir="ltr">I've created two other projects as per your suggestion as blocking tiles for something that is so small in terms of the whole picture doesn't make sense.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">For building outlines:<br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/project/22">http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/project/22</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none">For addresses and residential polygons:<br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/project/23">http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/project/23</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none">For validation(QA):<br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/project/24">http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/project/24</a> <br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv0673076126gmail_extra"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv0673076126yqt8897169877" id="yiv0673076126yqt84970"><div class="yiv0673076126gmail_quote">On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 5:45 PM, john whelan <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com">jwhelan0112@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv0673076126gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="ltr"><div class="yiv0673076126gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;font-size:small;">I mean how do we decide a tile is mapped? Normally in HOT its when the list of things in the instructions are completed.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">"<br clear="none"><div>Also trace
- Routes in the region</div>
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<div>Polygons around the residential areas in areas around Fort McMurray</div>
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<div>Isolated buildings outside urban places</div>
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<div>Names of missing roads</div>
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<div>Addresses (via geobase)</div>
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<div>Check Addresses are valid with <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=addresses&lon=-111.33512&lat=56.71888&zoom=12&overlays=buildings,buildings_with_addresses,postal_code,entrances_deprecated,entrances,no_addr_street,street_not_found,place_not_found,misformatted_housenumber,nodes_with_addresses_defined,nodes_with_addresses_interpolated,interpolation,interpolation_errors,connection_lines,nearest_points,nearest_roads,nearest_areas,addrx_on_nonclosed_way">GeoFabrik inspector tool"</a></div><div>That's quite a lot for a tile, mapping buildings is one process, adding addresses is another, checking the addresses is yet another.</div><div>Based on HOT experience its best to keep it fairly simple. So I suggest:</div><div>First project tile and map buildings. This is a fairly simple task that a beginner with the JOSM building tool can do fairly well.<br clear="none"></div><div>Second project tile and add addresses. This is more complex.<br clear="none"></div><div>Third project tile GeoFabrick inspector tool. This is even more complex.<br clear="none"></div><div>You can have more than one set of tiles gridding the area.<br clear="none"></div><div>Cheerio John<br clear="none"></div></div></div><div class="yiv0673076126HOEnZb"><div class="yiv0673076126h5"><div class="yiv0673076126gmail_extra"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv0673076126gmail_quote">On 9 May 2016 at 17:36, James <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:james2432@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:james2432@gmail.com">james2432@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv0673076126gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="ltr">Bing imagery is better than mapbox in that region. For addressing do you mean building by building or CanVec interpolation?</div><div><div>
<div class="yiv0673076126gmail_quote">On May 9, 2016 5:11 PM, "john whelan" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com">jwhelan0112@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv0673076126gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="ltr"><div class="yiv0673076126gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;font-size:small;">Should we layer this ie one project to map the buildings, another to add addresses, the processes are quite different and at the moment its difficult to say a tile is done for buildings when the address info hasn't been added and that means mappers going over the same tiles multiple times.<br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv0673076126gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;font-size:small;">Are we using Mapbox imagery or Bing for this one by the way?<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv0673076126gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;font-size:small;">Thanks John<br clear="none"></div></div><div class="yiv0673076126gmail_extra"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv0673076126gmail_quote">On 9 May 2016 at 16:11, Kunce, Dale <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:dale.kunce@redcross.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:dale.kunce@redcross.org">dale.kunce@redcross.org</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv0673076126gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">If we can get good pre-event imagery and do the building by building assessment I don’t think we will need post-event imagery but I can be on the lookout for it.<br clear="none">
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>> I do see that the building footprints are in the esri basemap<br clear="none">
>> unfortunately this doesn’t actually help. The esri basemap data is<br clear="none">
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