<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_6758">Improve_osm derived modifications Quebec + Labrador<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_4042"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_4226">I see a lot of highway=service roads added on industrial company sites. They seem in general ok.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_4292">I also see residential highways added with the correct spelling of the street name (source:name=geobase.ca ? )</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_5064" dir="ltr">example Rue des Cèdres (id=425557318)</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_5063" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_4169" dir="ltr">id=439021577 <span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_4387">highway=residential -> </span>this service road (probably private) goes to one house only. not highway=residential. And how useful to add these housing service roads?<br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_4043"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_4223">id=439107096 highway=residential -> this look like a farm field track</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_4168"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_4369" dir="ltr">id=425558698 highway=track -></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_4446" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_4448">id= highway=track -> their are houses on this road , then ? highway=residential, surface=unpaved ?<br></span></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_4167" class="signature"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_4452" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_4453">id=425558694 highway=track -> their are houses on the first segment of the road then highway=residential for this segment ?<br></span></div><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_4454" style="font-style:italic;color:rgb(0, 0, 191);font-weight:bold;"></span><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_4723" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_4724">id=425558699 highway=track -> their are houses on the first segment of the road then highway=residential for this segment ?<br id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_4725"></span></div><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_4726" style="font-style:italic;color:rgb(0, 0, 191);font-weight:bold;"></span><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_4727"></span><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_4458" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_4459">id=425558695 highway=track -> How useful is it to add all these tracks in the fields - for the majority private, for tractors only<br></span></div><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_4460" style="font-style:italic;color:rgb(0, 0, 191);font-weight:bold;"></span><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_4464" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_4465">id=425501869 highway=residential -> In this remote Labrador area, I see a mine nearby. But I would be surprised that this is a new residential area. This look to me like a wind farm with the spaces at the end of each road branch to install a wind turbine. See for comparison <a id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_5493" href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/49.2043/-65.6507">http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/49.2043/-65.6507</a><br></span></div><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_4466" style="font-style:italic;color:rgb(0, 0, 191);font-weight:bold;"></span><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_5567" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_4471"> Rue du Banc-de-Sable (id=435769605)</span><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_4471"> highway=residential source=Bing -> No Bing or MapBox imagery available. Seems to come from geobase.ca, trace + Name<br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_6779" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_4471">id=425338059 highway=trac -> We dont know the status of this forestry road. It might have been opened 10-15 years ago to cut wood. But we dont know if this is a permanent road, if culvert and bridges are repaired, what is the exact condition of the road. Even on the main roads, this is very hasardous to drive in these areas.<br></span></div><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_4472" style="font-style:italic;color:rgb(0, 0, 191);font-weight:bold;"></span><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_4368" style="font-style:italic;color:rgb(0, 0, 191);font-weight:bold;"> </span><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_4437"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_4436"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_4368" style="font-style:italic;color:rgb(0, 0, 191);font-weight:bold;"></span><br></div><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_4368" style="font-style:italic;color:rgb(0, 0, 191);font-weight:bold;"><font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_4367" face="garamond, new york, times, serif">Pierre </font><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_4044" class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div style="display: block;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_4048" class="yahoo_quoted"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_4047" style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_4046" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, linéale; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_4045" dir="ltr"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_4114" face="Arial" size="2"> <hr id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_4151" size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">De :</span></b> Mihai Iepure <mihai.iepure@telenav.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">À :</span></b> talk-ca <talk-ca@openstreetmap.org> <br> <b id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_4113"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_4112" style="font-weight: bold;">Envoyé le :</span></b> mardi 20 Septembre 2016 3h46<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Objet :</span></b> Re: [Talk-ca] Erreurs créées par des non-locaux<br> </font> </div> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_4095" class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv8266957986">
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<div class="yiv8266957986MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">My name is Mihai, I’m a map analyst at Telenav.
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ways 438953406 and 438953407. I can confirm that we’ve been doing edits using our ImproveOSM tool, using the
<i>source=improve_osm_tn</i> k/v pair.</span></div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474384771564_4604" class="yiv8266957986MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">I have a request, can someone write a short summary in English of the last emails in order to have a better understanding of the issue and how we
can address this?</span></div>
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<div class="yiv8266957986MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Thanks,</span></div>
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<div class="yiv8266957986MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;" lang="EN-US"> Pierre Béland [mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr]
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 20, 2016 12:00 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> dega <gadelap@gmail.com>; talk-ca <talk-ca@openstreetmap.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Talk-ca] Erreurs créées par des non-locaux</span></div>
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<div class="yiv8266957986MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><span style="color:black;">De :</span></b><span style="color:black;"> dega <</span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:gadelap@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:gadelap@gmail.com"><span style="">gadelap@gmail.com</span></a><span style="color:black;">><br>
<b>À :</b> talk-ca <</span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:talk-ca@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:talk-ca@openstreetmap.org"><span style="">talk-ca@openstreetmap.org</span></a><span style="color:black;">>
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<b>Envoyé le :</b> lundi 19 Septembre 2016 14h33<br>
<b>Objet :</b> Re: [Talk-ca] Erreurs créées par des non-locaux</span></div>
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Je viens de découvrir qu'un problème identique s'est produit sur le Chemin de <br>
la Presqu'Ile (au nord du Lac Cornu, chemin 438953404). Le chemin a été <br>
prolongé jusqu'au Chemin Chaloux, ce qui ne correspond pas à la réalité.<br>
J'aimerais bien connaître la méthodologie de biancah_telenav.<br>
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Ce changement fait aussi partie du groupe 4168708 qui mérite d'être renversé.<br>
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Est-ce qu quelqu'un connaît une façon de visualiser la carte à une date <br>
donnée?<br>
Est-ce qu'il existe une archive des tuiles OSM?<br>
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dega</span></div>
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Le 19 septembre 2016, 14:12:57 dega a écrit :<br>
> Une personne dont le surnom est biancah_telenav a récemment effectué des<br>
> modifications qui réduisent la qualité de notre carte. Il s'agit des deux<br>
> ensembles de modifications suivants:<br>
> - groupe 41680708 sur le chemin 438953406 (au nord du lac de La Blanche)<br>
> - groupe 41680708 sur le chemin 438953407 (au sud du Lac de la Blanche)<br>
> Cette personne est "novice" (inscrite depuis moins de 2 mois) mais a fait<br>
> plus de 700 modifications. J'oserais dire qu'elle est de la région de<br>
> Detroit. Il est temps que quelqu'un lui dise que la qualité est plus<br>
> importante que la quantité.<br>
> Je suis allé vérifier "de visu" et j'affirme que les 2 prolongements de<br>
> chemins qui ont été faits par biancah_telenav n'existent pas.<br>
> Je considère que ces 2 erreurs sont graves car, un jour, quelqu'un utilisera<br>
> la carte OSM pour longer le Lac de la Blanche et ce quelqu'un se retrouvera<br>
> dans un précipice.<br>
> Je demande à ceux qui savent faire à ce que ce groupe de modifications soit<br>
> renversé.<br>
> Bonne semaine à tous!<br>
> <br>
> dega<br>
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