<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474375738604_29104">Hi Mihai</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474375738604_29110"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474375738604_29111">I also commented about how the telenav contributors edited using improve_osm.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474375738604_29679" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474375738604_29724" dir="ltr">Using
infos coming from navigation software tools client usage, we have to be
careful. It can be a service road in an industy courtyard, a forest
road accessible only to specialized equipment, etc. It is then important
for improve_osm collaborators and validators using such quality tools
in general to evaluate carefully the information, confirm with imagery
and sometimes local knowledge.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474375738604_29727"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474375738604_29725"></span> <br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474375738604_29681" dir="ltr">About
the usage of the source key by improve_osm contributors, I opened
three weeks ago this ticket on Github, with no answer yet.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474375738604_29701"><a id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474375738604_29682" href="https://github.com/Telenav/improve-osm-plugin/issues/13">https://github.com/Telenav/improve-osm-plugin/issues/13<br></a></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474375738604_29700"><br><a id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474375738604_29682" href="https://github.com/Telenav/improve-osm-plugin/issues/13"></a></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474375738604_29127" dir="ltr">The source=improve_osm_tn key-value pair is used to report the quality tool used to detect areas where improvements could eventually made. This is an improper use of the source tag. This tag is to report the source (ie, local knowledge, field data collect, aerial imagery). I suggest that quality tools such as improve_osm use a specific key to report usage of this quality tool. It could be something like quality_tool=improve_osm_tn. Some tools like the OSM Tasking manager pass directly such keys to either ID or JOSM. This is then added to the Changeset comment.</div><br><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474375738604_28791" class="signature"><span style="font-style:italic;color:rgb(0, 0, 191);font-weight:bold;"> <br><font face="garamond, new york, times, serif">Pierre </font><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474375738604_28792" class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div style="display: block;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474375738604_28804" class="yahoo_quoted"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474375738604_28803" style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474375738604_28802" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, linéale; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474375738604_28801" dir="ltr"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474375738604_28805" face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">De :</span></b> Mihai Iepure <mihai.iepure@telenav.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">À :</span></b> talk-ca <talk-ca@openstreetmap.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Envoyé le :</span></b> mardi 20 Septembre 2016 3h46<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Objet :</span></b> Re: [Talk-ca] Erreurs créées par des non-locaux<br> </font> </div> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474375738604_29002" class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv5614677201">
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<div class="yiv5614677201MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Hi everyone,</span></div>
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<div class="yiv5614677201MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">My name is Mihai, I’m a map analyst at Telenav.
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474375738604_29004" class="yiv5614677201MsoNormal"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1474375738604_29003" style="font-size:11.0pt;">As far as my French goes, in the last emails there have been some discussions regarding some of our edits in Canada, especially with changeset #41680708,
ways 438953406 and 438953407. I can confirm that we’ve been doing edits using our ImproveOSM tool, using the
<i>source=improve_osm_tn</i> k/v pair.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv5614677201MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">I have a request, can someone write a short summary in English of the last emails in order to have a better understanding of the issue and how we
can address this?</span></div>
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<div class="yiv5614677201MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Thanks,</span></div>
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<div class="yiv5614677201MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;" lang="EN-US"> Pierre Béland [mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr]
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 20, 2016 12:00 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> dega <gadelap@gmail.com>; talk-ca <talk-ca@openstreetmap.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Talk-ca] Erreurs créées par des non-locaux</span></div>
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<div class="yiv5614677201MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><span style="color:black;">De :</span></b><span style="color:black;"> dega <</span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:gadelap@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:gadelap@gmail.com"><span style="">gadelap@gmail.com</span></a><span style="color:black;">><br>
<b>À :</b> talk-ca <</span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:talk-ca@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:talk-ca@openstreetmap.org"><span style="">talk-ca@openstreetmap.org</span></a><span style="color:black;">>
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<b>Envoyé le :</b> lundi 19 Septembre 2016 14h33<br>
<b>Objet :</b> Re: [Talk-ca] Erreurs créées par des non-locaux</span></div>
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Je viens de découvrir qu'un problème identique s'est produit sur le Chemin de <br>
la Presqu'Ile (au nord du Lac Cornu, chemin 438953404). Le chemin a été <br>
prolongé jusqu'au Chemin Chaloux, ce qui ne correspond pas à la réalité.<br>
J'aimerais bien connaître la méthodologie de biancah_telenav.<br>
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Ce changement fait aussi partie du groupe 4168708 qui mérite d'être renversé.<br>
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Est-ce qu quelqu'un connaît une façon de visualiser la carte à une date <br>
donnée?<br>
Est-ce qu'il existe une archive des tuiles OSM?<br>
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dega</span></div>
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Le 19 septembre 2016, 14:12:57 dega a écrit :<br>
> Une personne dont le surnom est biancah_telenav a récemment effectué des<br>
> modifications qui réduisent la qualité de notre carte. Il s'agit des deux<br>
> ensembles de modifications suivants:<br>
> - groupe 41680708 sur le chemin 438953406 (au nord du lac de La Blanche)<br>
> - groupe 41680708 sur le chemin 438953407 (au sud du Lac de la Blanche)<br>
> Cette personne est "novice" (inscrite depuis moins de 2 mois) mais a fait<br>
> plus de 700 modifications. J'oserais dire qu'elle est de la région de<br>
> Detroit. Il est temps que quelqu'un lui dise que la qualité est plus<br>
> importante que la quantité.<br>
> Je suis allé vérifier "de visu" et j'affirme que les 2 prolongements de<br>
> chemins qui ont été faits par biancah_telenav n'existent pas.<br>
> Je considère que ces 2 erreurs sont graves car, un jour, quelqu'un utilisera<br>
> la carte OSM pour longer le Lac de la Blanche et ce quelqu'un se retrouvera<br>
> dans un précipice.<br>
> Je demande à ceux qui savent faire à ce que ce groupe de modifications soit<br>
> renversé.<br>
> Bonne semaine à tous!<br>
> <br>
> dega<br>
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