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<p>Another good reason to create an organization that holds the keys
to key OSM resources... then it can out-survive all of us. :-)</p>
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On 2017-09-29 09:41 AM, James wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I and others can give access to people to create
projects on the tasking manager. I understand that one person
might disapear, i'll try not to die in the next 2 years ;)<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 9:37 AM, john
whelan <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">jwhelan0112@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">But
that is only a single person for a project of this size
you need some sort of team approach. Although buses are
fairly safe the odd one gets hit by a train and if you
happen to be sitting in the front seat you may not be
available to sort things out.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Cheerio
John<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 29 September 2017 at
09:33, James <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:james2432@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">james2432@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<div dir="ltr">To answer you question about who
would organise the tasking manager, I'm willing
to do so.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 29,
2017 at 9:24 AM, john whelan <span
dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">jwhelan0112@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">A
couple of comments:</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">1.
Pierre Beland<a
href="https://mobile.twitter.com/pierzen?p=s"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><strong></strong></a>
has identified 95% of contributors
only map 6% of the assets. <a
href="https://mobile.twitter.com/pierzen/status/910551645498552321"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://mobile.twitter.com/pie<wbr>rzen/status/910551645498552321</a><wbr>
We would need to use those 5% of
mappers who do the most mapping and
they have their own agendas and
reasons for mapping. They are more
likely to throw their weight behind
something that looks achievable and
I'm not sure this is. <br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">2.
I've put up a sample of buildings
being mapped from a mapathon. <a
href="https://www.jatws.org/johnw/building3.jpg"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.jatws.org/johnw/bu<wbr>ilding3.jpg</a>
as you can see in my opinion the
quality is not suitable for Stats
Canada's use. Some buildings are
grouped together with others as a
single building, others are mapped
the wrong shape or size. Quite
often buildings are omitted. There
are better examples and there are
worse examples but it is not
untypical and it was this experience
that made me suggest the Open Data
import route in the first place.<br>
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">So
Open Data import is better for
quality. Adding tags to building
foot prints is less error prone.<br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">3.
There are more than 5,000 municipal
governments in Canada source Stats
Can. It took five years to get the
City of Ottawa to update their Open
Data license. Treasury Board still
hasn't released their Open Data tool
kit for the municipalities. With
good will I estimate it will take
two years to get the Open Data
licenses amended. Kingston might be
a good target. With any questions
and there will be a number, this
figure can be expected to drift out
to three to four years. Who is
responsible to answer questions, in
both official languages? Who will
make the requests to municipal
governments to adopt a usable Open
Data license?<br>
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">In
Ottawa we had the right mix of
resources. We had enough local
mappers to discuss things through
which is part of the import process.
We had good will from the City of
Ottawa and they were happy to
release building foot print data
which had not been part of their
Open Data so far. The import
process is not simple these days, it
would need the steps to follow to
be documented and then you get the
technical side of the import. I'm a
fairly experienced mapper and to be
honest I wouldn't attempt the sort
of complex import that was done in
Ottawa. I'm not sure the Ottawa
experience is repeatable more than
five thousand times.</div>
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">We
can approach the OSM LWG for an
opinion on existing licenses but
they are volunteers and for five
thousand opinions that would take a
considerable amount of time and if
the license weren't the TB toolkit
ones I wouldn't even bother.</div>
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">The
community is supposed to be doing
this. Fine but a project manager
and a project plan might make it run
more smoothly. Data quality will be
important so how will it be
verified? Who will be responsible
for organising task manager tiles
for the whole country? Who will
identify the group of mappers who
are "local" to a small
municipality? Remember these have a
critical decision making role to
play in the import process.</div>
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Have
fun.</div>
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Cheerio
John<br>
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28 September 2017 at 16:48,
Alasia, Alessandro (STATCAN) <span
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href="mailto:alessandro.alasia@canada.ca"
target="_blank"
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<div>Hello all!</div>
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<div>Statistics Canada
was a partner of the
2017 HOT Summit held
in Ottawa, Sept 14-15.
In parallel to the
summit, Statistics
Canada hosted a
workshop to discuss
the possibility of
launching a
community-led
initiative titled
“Building Canada
2020”.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>The goal and vision
of this initiative is
simple: <b><i>map all
buildings in
Canada on OSM by
the year 2020</i></b>.
The workshop was well
attended. There were
about 50 people from
various sectors
(federal, academic,
civic group, and
private). This was
a preliminary
discussion amongst a
small group of people,
but now that broad
interest has been
confirmed more
stakeholders need to
be involved!</div>
<div> </div>
<div>A short summary of
the workshop along
with a first draft <b><i>Roadmap
to implementation</i></b>
has been posted on the
OSM Wiki at: <a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Building_Canada_2020"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><font
color="#0563C1"><u>https://wiki.openstreetmap.org<wbr>/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Build<wbr>ing_Canada_2020</u></font></a>
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<div> </div>
<div>Everyone that
shares the vision of
“mapping all buildings
in Canada on OSM by
the year 2020”<b> </b>is
invited to contribute
to the discussion and
the roadmap to
implementation. In
addition, there is
still need to discuss
how coordination,
communication
and governance of this
initiative can be set
in place. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>One important
aspect that needs to
be emphasized is that
“Building Canada 2020”
is not a Statistics
Canada project. In
fact, it is not
properly a project of
any sort. It is a
vision and an
aspirational goal. The
hope is that many
organizations and
contributors
working with an open
data resource (OSM)
can coordinate their
efforts through a
multitude of projects,
initiatives, and
activities towards a
common goal that would
benefit society at
large.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>My team at
Statistics Canada
(DEIL) has been
working on a pilot
project with OSM
(which was presented
at the HOT Summit). We
are looking at the
possibility of a
second Statistics
Canada project to
expand to other cities
the work done with the
pilot in
Ottawa and Gatineau.
If this happens, this
StatCan project would
contribute to, and
align with, the
Building Canada 2020
initiative. Hopefully
this will be but one
of many projects and
activities
contributing to the
vision. Where
possible, we would be
happy
to coordinate work
with other
organizations or
groups that share the
vision. We would also
be happy to share
experiences and the
tools developed while
working with building
information on OSM. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>We look forward to
further collaboration
with the OSM
communities as we move
forward with the
second phase of our
project and expand to
more cities. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>Best regards</div>
<div>Alessandro and DEIL
Team</div>
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