<div dir="ltr">I and others can give access to people to create projects on the tasking manager. I understand that one person might disapear, i'll try not to die in the next 2 years ;)<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 9:37 AM, john whelan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com" target="_blank">jwhelan0112@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">But that is only a single person for a project of this size you need some sort of team approach. Although buses are fairly safe the odd one gets hit by a train and if you happen to be sitting in the front seat you may not be available to sort things out.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Cheerio John<br></div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 29 September 2017 at 09:33, James <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:james2432@gmail.com" target="_blank">james2432@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">To answer you question about who would organise the tasking manager, I'm willing to do so.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="m_-6644695896027233413h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 9:24 AM, john whelan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com" target="_blank">jwhelan0112@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">A couple of comments:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">1. Pierre Beland<a href="https://mobile.twitter.com/pierzen?p=s" target="_blank"><strong></strong></a> has identified 95% of contributors only map 6% of the assets. <a href="https://mobile.twitter.com/pierzen/status/910551645498552321" target="_blank">https://mobile.twitter.com/pie<wbr>rzen/status/910551645498552321</a><wbr> We would need to use those 5% of mappers who do the most mapping and they have their own agendas and reasons for mapping. They are more likely to throw their weight behind something that looks achievable and I'm not sure this is. <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">2. I've put up a sample of buildings being mapped from a mapathon. <a href="https://www.jatws.org/johnw/building3.jpg" target="_blank">https://www.jatws.org/johnw/bu<wbr>ilding3.jpg</a> as you can see in my opinion the quality is not suitable for Stats Canada's use. Some buildings are grouped together with others as a single building, others are mapped the wrong shape or size. Quite often buildings are omitted. There are better examples and there are worse examples but it is not untypical and it was this experience that made me suggest the Open Data import route in the first place.<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">So Open Data import is better for quality. Adding tags to building foot prints is less error prone.<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">3. There are more than 5,000 municipal governments in Canada source Stats Can. It took five years to get the City of Ottawa to update their Open Data license. Treasury Board still hasn't released their Open Data tool kit for the municipalities. With good will I estimate it will take two years to get the Open Data licenses amended. Kingston might be a good target. With any questions and there will be a number, this figure can be expected to drift out to three to four years. Who is responsible to answer questions, in both official languages? Who will make the requests to municipal governments to adopt a usable Open Data license?<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">In Ottawa we had the right mix of resources. We had enough local mappers to discuss things through which is part of the import process. We had good will from the City of Ottawa and they were happy to release building foot print data which had not been part of their Open Data so far. The import process is not simple these days, it would need the steps to follow to be documented and then you get the technical side of the import. I'm a fairly experienced mapper and to be honest I wouldn't attempt the sort of complex import that was done in Ottawa. I'm not sure the Ottawa experience is repeatable more than five thousand times.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">We can approach the OSM LWG for an opinion on existing licenses but they are volunteers and for five thousand opinions that would take a considerable amount of time and if the license weren't the TB toolkit ones I wouldn't even bother.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">The community is supposed to be doing this. Fine but a project manager and a project plan might make it run more smoothly. Data quality will be important so how will it be verified? Who will be responsible for organising task manager tiles for the whole country? Who will identify the group of mappers who are "local" to a small municipality? Remember these have a critical decision making role to play in the import process.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Have fun.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Cheerio John<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="m_-6644695896027233413m_8717814786065662504h5">On 28 September 2017 at 16:48, Alasia, Alessandro (STATCAN) <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:alessandro.alasia@canada.ca" target="_blank">alessandro.alasia@canada.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="m_-6644695896027233413m_8717814786065662504h5">
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<div>Statistics Canada was a partner of the 2017 HOT Summit held in Ottawa, Sept 14-15. In parallel to the summit, Statistics Canada hosted a workshop to discuss the possibility of launching a community-led initiative titled “Building Canada 2020”.</div>
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<div>The goal and vision of this initiative is simple: <b><i>map all buildings in Canada on OSM by the year 2020</i></b>. The workshop was well attended. There were about 50 people from various sectors (federal, academic, civic group, and private). This was
a preliminary discussion amongst a small group of people, but now that broad interest has been confirmed more stakeholders need to be involved!</div>
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<div>A short summary of the workshop along with a first draft <b><i>Roadmap to implementation</i></b> has been posted on the OSM Wiki at: <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Building_Canada_2020" target="_blank"><font color="#0563C1"><u>https://wiki.openstreetmap.org<wbr>/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Build<wbr>ing_Canada_2020</u></font></a>
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<div>Everyone that shares the vision of “mapping all buildings in Canada on OSM by the year 2020”<b> </b>is invited to contribute to the discussion and the roadmap to implementation. In addition, there is still need to discuss how coordination, communication
and governance of this initiative can be set in place. </div>
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<div>One important aspect that needs to be emphasized is that “Building Canada 2020” is not a Statistics Canada project. In fact, it is not properly a project of any sort. It is a vision and an aspirational goal. The hope is that many organizations and contributors
working with an open data resource (OSM) can coordinate their efforts through a multitude of projects, initiatives, and activities towards a common goal that would benefit society at large.</div>
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<div>My team at Statistics Canada (DEIL) has been working on a pilot project with OSM (which was presented at the HOT Summit). We are looking at the possibility of a second Statistics Canada project to expand to other cities the work done with the pilot in
Ottawa and Gatineau. If this happens, this StatCan project would contribute to, and align with, the Building Canada 2020 initiative. Hopefully this will be but one of many projects and activities contributing to the vision. Where possible, we would be happy
to coordinate work with other organizations or groups that share the vision. We would also be happy to share experiences and the tools developed while working with building information on OSM. </div>
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<div>We look forward to further collaboration with the OSM communities as we move forward with the second phase of our project and expand to more cities. </div>
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