<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">The legal working group offers opinions nothing else. If the only change to the licence is the city name then it should be fine to use. The problem for the cities is it takes about a year or two to get these things approved and if you can't say to the politicians it will be accepted then its time and money spent for an uncertain result. <br><br>I understand there is a fairly involved import process as well that needs a benediction that looks at the licensing these days.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">TB did the rounds before coming up with their license by the way.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Data released through the TB open data portal is correctly licensed. The CANVEC approval was based on a misunderstanding which has since been cleared up. It is currently released through the TB Open Data portal and thus covered under the 2.0 license.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Cheerio John<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 28 January 2018 at 16:31, Matthew Darwin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:matthew@mdarwin.ca" target="_blank">matthew@mdarwin.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Jonathan,</font></p>
<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Please do raise the
licensing issue.... it is a major blocking point to have imports
proceed. We cannot have a variant of the same license for each
city, just changing the city name because the OSM license
working group thinks these are thus all different and then
needing another round of review. We need one (or very small
number of) licenses every municipality/region/province can
use. <br>
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<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">One way to solve this
is to have every</font><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">
municipality/region/province contribute to one master data set
and then make that dataset available to OSM. Eg add all the
buildings into CanVec. CanVec is already approved. :-)<br>
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</span><div><div class="h5"><div class="m_-5014382046449630160moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-01-28 02:42 PM, Jonathan Brown
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<p class="MsoNormal">Okay, I know the Open Data folks and Open
Government folks in Ontario. It’s their job to connect to and
support the data stewards within government who are releasing
data through the Open Data Portal. The federal open government
folks are holding a meeting in Toronto this Monday where the
provincial and city folks are likely to be in attendance. I
can raise this licensing issue and how this is a barrier to
crowdsourcing and citizen science, something that they are
keen on embracing. It would be good to show them a working
example. Has the BC2020i OSM data been integrated into the
Ottawa Open Data Portal? </p>
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</b><a href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com" target="_blank">john whelan</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Sunday, January 28, 2018 2:29 PM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:jonabrow@gmail.com" target="_blank">Jonathan Brown</a><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:talk-ca@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">talk-ca@openstreetmap.org</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 OD_tables wiki and
project status</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">If
you map from Bing imagery there is no issue. If you do
map from Bing please use the building_tool plugin in
JOSM. We tend to find new mappers using iD are not very
accurate.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">If
the city has an Open Data file of the building outlines
then it must be available under a licence that
OpenStreetMap can accept. Part of the problem is you
can use OpenStreetMap for anything.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">The
Canadian Federal Government noticed there were problems
with their Open Data licence for OpenStreetMap amongst
others they came up with version 2.0. Ottawa was the
first municipality to adopt the new license and it took
about five years to get it sorted out from start to
finish.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I
was involved in the original import and was under the
impression that since we were importing CANVEC data and
that was available under the 2.0 license that the
municipal equivalent license was acceptable. Some Stats
Canada addresses had been imported from the TB open data
portal in Toronto and they were under the same
impression.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">It
became apparent that the CANVEC imports were not done
under the 2.0 license in OSM's eyes.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">The
TB 2.0 and the Ottawa Open Data license was referred to
the LWG for their opinion. Their opinion was they were
acceptable. However they wished to view any other Open
Data licenses in Canada before giving their
benediction. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Some
Open Data licenses say and if we don't like what you are
doing you must remove our data. This is an example on
something that OSM would find unacceptable.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Once
the outlines are in place then other tags can be added.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Cheerio
John<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 28 January 2018 at 13:50, Jonathan
Brown <<a href="mailto:jonabrow@gmail.com" target="_blank">jonabrow@gmail.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If
we have a description of the scope of the work
involved in updating the BC2020 OD tables, I don’t
mind trying to find some senior students who could
be trained to take on this task for locations in
Ontario. It would be a very small start, of
course. Also, can someone explain to me the
licensing issue? How do datasets released under
the open government license not meet the legal
requirements of the OSM license? </p>
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