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<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Do-it-Yourself Open
Data Toolkit is released here:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://open.canada.ca/en/do-it-yourself-open-data-toolkit">http://open.canada.ca/en/do-it-yourself-open-data-toolkit</a></font></p>
<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Here is the license
(Federal):
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://open.canada.ca/en/open-government-licence-canada">http://open.canada.ca/en/open-government-licence-canada</a><br>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="70">Matthew Darwin
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:matthew@mdarwin.ca">matthew@mdarwin.ca</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.mdarwin.ca">http://www.mdarwin.ca</a></pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-01-28 03:17 PM, john whelan
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">The
Ottawa building outlines were identified as a possibility by
Tracey at a meeting between Stats Can City of Ottawa and a few
people from OSM plus a few others by phone who had done
something similar.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Most of
the enriching of OSM from Ottawa's Open Data came through
their portal such as the GTFS file. Martin and James have
done most of the work integrating what they could find.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Once we
had the license lined up then I understand the building
outline file was supplied separately to the Open Data portal
but with the same licence. I think James would know if it
came on a USB stick or not. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">The
Stats Can building project has had a lot of interest from
municipalities. I think Kingston was very keen. Its value is
the mixture of Open Data and the enrichment that comes from
the OSM side to give the number of levels etc.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">TB are
supposed to have an Open data kit for municipalities real soon
now and that is supposed to include information about the TB
2.0 Open Data Licence that Ottawa is using.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Cheerio
John<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 28 January 2018 at 14:42, Jonathan
Brown <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jonabrow@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">jonabrow@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Okay, I know the Open Data folks
and Open Government folks in Ontario. It’s their job
to connect to and support the data stewards within
government who are releasing data through the Open
Data Portal. The federal open government folks are
holding a meeting in Toronto this Monday where the
provincial and city folks are likely to be in
attendance. I can raise this licensing issue and how
this is a barrier to crowdsourcing and citizen
science, something that they are keen on embracing. It
would be good to show them a working example. Has the
BC2020i OSM data been integrated into the Ottawa Open
Data Portal? </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Jonathan </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="border:none;padding:0in"><b>From:
</b><a href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">john whelan</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Sunday, January 28, 2018 2:29 PM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:jonabrow@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">Jonathan
Brown</a><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a
href="mailto:talk-ca@openstreetmap.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">talk-ca@openstreetmap.org</a><span><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 OD_tables
wiki and project status</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">If
you map from Bing imagery there is no issue. If
you do map from Bing please use the
building_tool plugin in JOSM. We tend to find
new mappers using iD are not very accurate.</span></p>
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style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">If
the city has an Open Data file of the
building outlines then it must be available
under a licence that OpenStreetMap can
accept. Part of the problem is you can use
OpenStreetMap for anything.</span></p>
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style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">The
Canadian Federal Government noticed there
were problems with their Open Data licence
for OpenStreetMap amongst others they came
up with version 2.0. Ottawa was the first
municipality to adopt the new license and it
took about five years to get it sorted out
from start to finish.</span></p>
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style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I
was involved in the original import and was
under the impression that since we were
importing CANVEC data and that was available
under the 2.0 license that the municipal
equivalent license was acceptable. Some
Stats Canada addresses had been imported
from the TB open data portal in Toronto and
they were under the same impression.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">It
became apparent that the CANVEC imports were
not done under the 2.0 license in OSM's
eyes.</span></p>
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style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">The
TB 2.0 and the Ottawa Open Data license was
referred to the LWG for their opinion.
Their opinion was they were acceptable.
However they wished to view any other Open
Data licenses in Canada before giving their
benediction. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Some
Open Data licenses say and if we don't like
what you are doing you must remove our
data. This is an example on something that
OSM would find unacceptable.</span></p>
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style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Once
the outlines are in place then other tags
can be added.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Cheerio
John</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 28 January 2018 at
13:50, Jonathan Brown <<a
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<p class="MsoNormal">If we have a
description of the scope of the work
involved in updating the BC2020 OD
tables, I don’t mind trying to find
some senior students who could be
trained to take on this task for
locations in Ontario. It would be a
very small start, of course. Also, can
someone explain to me the licensing
issue? How do datasets released under
the open government license not meet
the legal requirements of the OSM
license? </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Jonathan </p>
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