<html><head></head><body text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" lang="en-US" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); line-height: initial;"> <div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Matthew,</div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> <span style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; line-height: initial;">"Saint-Louis-du-Ha! Ha!" is a good one. I have driven through </span><span style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; line-height: initial;">"Saint-Louis-du-Ha! Ha!" on my way from NB to Montreal. Growing up in NS I have always been intrigued by long French names in NB like St-Francois-de-Madawaska. I have lived, studied and worked in geomatics on NB since 1989. I find this discussion of St, Ste, Saint, and Sainte to be a little esoteric. The engineer in me wants to lean toward standardization but the human in me recognizes that everyone can interpret a place name whether it is presented with a St / Saint or Ste / Sainte. </span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; line-height: initial;"><br></span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; line-height: initial;">However, St. John's, NL and Saint John, NB are a special case. One is always abbreviated and the other is not. Don't feel bad if you mix them up. Prince Charles confused the two while making a speech in Saint John, NB. I still remember the news clip on TV and the gasp from the NB audience when the prince said "St. John's" when he was referring Saint John, NB, while speaking in Saint John, NB! Despite the gasp Prince Charles survived and so will all of us OSM mappers despite our abbreviations. ;-)</span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; line-height: initial;"><br></span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; line-height: initial;">Bernie. </span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; line-height: initial;"><br></span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; line-height: initial;"><br></span></div> <div style="font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Bell network.</div> <table width="100%" style="background-color:white;border-spacing:0px;"> <tbody><tr><td colspan="2" style="font-size: initial; text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> <div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in; font-family: Tahoma, 'BB Alpha Sans', 'Slate Pro'; font-size: 10pt;"> <div><b>From: </b>Matthew Darwin</div><div><b>Sent: </b>Friday, February 16, 2018 8:14 PM</div><div><b>To: </b>talk-ca@openstreetmap.org</div><div><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names</div></div></td></tr></tbody></table><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(186, 188, 209); border-top-width: 1pt; font-size: initial; text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"></div><br><div id="_originalContent" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">
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<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">In my OSM map updates
to remove of "City of" and similar prefixes from locality names,
I will not be expanding any "St", "Ste" or any other
abbreviations of those names. If the name (minus the prefix to
be removed) matches what is in NRCan database, I will remove the
prefix; if it doesn't, I will bring it back up here for review.<br>
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<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">I occasionally get "Saint
John, NB" and "St. John's, NL" confused, so personally I do not
want the city name in Newfoundland expanded to add to my
confusion. :-)</font></p>
<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">What's your favourite
locality name in Canada? I have to go with "Saint-Louis-du-Ha!
Ha!"</font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-02-16 05:56 PM, Jarek
Piórkowski wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">With "street" in a street name, it's clear to most
everyone that Pine St is an abbreviation and Pine Street is the
correct unabbreviated Canadian English version. It is not clear
to me that "Saint Catharines" is the correct unabbreviated
version of the city's name. In fact it looks incorrect to me.<br>
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