<html><head></head><body><div style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div>Bonjour Martin,</div><div><br></div><div>Il me semble que les divers commentaires ont été assez clair. La communauté OSM du Canada est assez mature pour gérer cela et n'avons pas besoin que Navteq démarre un projet pour modifier ces données.</div><div><br></div><div>L'équipe Navteq a déja créé beaucoup de problèmes en ajoutant partout des relations complexes pour un simple interdit de faire un virage en U. Quels sont maintenant les objectifs de la tâche<br></div><div> <span><span><div><div class="ydpccc71737challenge-list__item-title"><div class="ydpccc71737challenge-list__item__name">More Overlapping Ways in Canada</div></div><div class="ydpccc71737challenge-list__item__project-name">Telenav OSM Integrity Checks's Project</div></div></span></span></div><div><br></div><div>A mon avis, vous devez discuter avec la communauté canadienne avant de démarrer de tels projets. Svp interrompre cette tâche et venez en discuter.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Et quels sont vos objectifs pour les modifications vs la route Trancanadienne? Un meilleur rendu sur la carte, des itinéraires dans les outils de navigation ? Pourquoi ne pas simplement créer une relation de type route pour la route Transcanadienne?<br></div><div><br></div><div><div class="ydpcff8340bsignature"><span style="font-style:italic;color:rgb(0, 0, 191);font-weight:bold;"> <br><font face="garamond, new york, times, serif">Pierre </font><br></span></div></div>
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Le mercredi 28 mars 2018 13 h 23 min 37 s HAE, Martijn van Exel <m@rtijn.org> a écrit :
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<div>My colleague Olivia will respond more in depth with some suggestions based on your feedback. Thanks for giving our team's ideas some thought.<br clear="none"></div>
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<div>In the meantime, as I was writing a post about the new version of MapRoulette, I thought I'd make a Challenge for misspelled Trans-Canada Highway names. Please find it here: <a shape="rect" href="http://maproulette.org/mr3/browse/challenges/2955" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://maproulette.org/mr3/browse/challenges/2955</a> . There's only a little over 200 tasks, so that should be an easy thing to fix together. <br clear="none"></div>
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<div>The Challenge is based on this Overpass query: <a shape="rect" href="http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/xoW" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/xoW</a> -- it's pretty easy to make your own Challenges based on your own Overpass queries or GeoJSON files.<br clear="none"></div>
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<div>The diary post explaining MapRoulette is here: <a shape="rect" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/mvexel/diary/43596" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/mvexel/diary/43596</a><br clear="none"></div>
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<div class="ydpf588d288yiv1038089296yqt6012026532" id="ydpf588d288yiv1038089296yqtfd38851"><div>On Tue, Mar 27, 2018, at 07:13, Begin Daniel wrote:<br clear="none"></div>
<blockquote type="cite"><div><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="ydpf588d288yiv1038089296font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="ydpf588d288yiv1038089296size" style="font-size:11pt;"><span lang="FR-CA">Andrew, Je ne crois pas que le fait que ces ‘contributeurs’ soient Roumains, Javanais ou Américains soit à considérer. Ils nous ont consultés avant de faire la modification et c’est parfait. Cependant, je suis entièrement
en accord avec ta réponse - laissez ça à la communauté canadienne!</span></span></span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="ydpf588d288yiv1038089296font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="ydpf588d288yiv1038089296size" style="font-size:11pt;"><span lang="FR-CA"> </span></span></span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="ydpf588d288yiv1038089296font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="ydpf588d288yiv1038089296size" style="font-size:11pt;"><span lang="FR-CA">(I do not believe that the fact these ‘contributors’ are Romanians, Javanese or Americans is to be considered. They consulted us before making the change and it's perfect. However, I fully agree with your answer - leave
that to the Canadian community!-)</span></span></span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="ydpf588d288yiv1038089296font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="ydpf588d288yiv1038089296size" style="font-size:11pt;"> </span></span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="ydpf588d288yiv1038089296font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="ydpf588d288yiv1038089296size" style="font-size:11pt;">Sent from <a shape="rect" style="text-decoration:underline;color:rgb(5, 99, 193);" href="https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Mail</a> for Windows 10</span></span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="ydpf588d288yiv1038089296font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="ydpf588d288yiv1038089296size" style="font-size:11pt;"> </span></span><br clear="none"></p></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><div><span class="ydpf588d288yiv1038089296colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span class="ydpf588d288yiv1038089296font"><span class="ydpf588d288yiv1038089296size" style="font-size:11pt;"><b>From:</b> Andrew Lester <a-lester@shaw.ca><br clear="none"> <b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 26, 2018 1:35:56 PM<br clear="none"> <b>To:</b> Olivia Robu - (p)<br clear="none"> <b>Cc:</b> talk-ca<br clear="none"> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Talk-ca] Trans-Canada Highway research</span></span></span> </div>
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<div><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);"><div>While standardization may be nice, it often won't be possible even within a single country. As has already been discussed, there are differing conventions in different provinces, so please don't try to apply a single plan to all provinces. How the TCH
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<div>For example, in BC (and some other western provinces), the TCH carries the 1 ref. In some places where other ref'ed highways coincide with the TCH, the ref is recorded as "ref=1;19", for example. There are places within cities where the TCH runs on city
roads with different names (e.g. Douglas Street in Victoria), so those ways are named with the local name and the TCH name is recorded in the alt_name or nat_name tag (a separate argument is which one of these to use). An alternate name should never be added
to the primary name in brackets like proposed. That's exactly what the alt_name (and similar) tags are for. There are also many places where Trans-Canada Highway is the official local name of the road, like most of the highway in BC.<br clear="none"></div>
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<div>As for the correct spelling of the TCH, I think it would be fairly uncontroversial to standardize the name to "Trans-Canada Highway" or "Route Transcanadienne" where it's appropriate to use the TCH name, because those are the official spellings. Any variants
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<div>As for varying highway classifications, this is correct and to be expected. Unlike the US interstate system, the Trans-Canada Highway network varies in construction and importance all across the country, so the classification can't be standardized to just
motorway or trunk. There are sections where primary is the most appropriate, and possibly even secondary in some places. Just on Vancouver Island alone, the roads designated as the TCH vary from a six-lane motorway all the way down to a two-lane effectively-tertiary
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<div>Since there will need to be a lot of local knowledge required for such a project, I strongly recommend that this project not be undertaken by Telenav. This is the kind of work that Canadians should be doing, being the most familiar with the on-the-ground
situation which will dictate how the highway is handled in each province. The numerous past issues with Telenav's contributions is also a factor that can't be ignored. Does it really make sense for a team of Romanians with a history of questionable decisions
to be making sweeping changes to the Canadian national highway network? At least they've brought a proposal to the community this time rather than just push forward with a faulty plan like they have in the past. I'm still cleaning up after previous Telenav
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<div><div><b>From: </b>"Olivia Robu - (p)" <olivia.robu@telenav.com><br clear="none"></div>
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<div><div><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="ydpf588d288yiv1038089296font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="ydpf588d288yiv1038089296size" style="font-size:11pt;">Hello,</span></span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="ydpf588d288yiv1038089296font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="ydpf588d288yiv1038089296size" style="font-size:11pt;">The Telenav Map team has done some research on the status of the ways and relations of Trans-Canada Highway.</span></span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="ydpf588d288yiv1038089296font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="ydpf588d288yiv1038089296size" style="font-size:11pt;">Here are some conclusions from this research:</span></span><br clear="none"></p><ul style="margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;"><li style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:11pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;">The highway is formed from 30 routes;<br clear="none"></li><li style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:11pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;">Every route has different names for the name tag, such as: street names, other routes names or Trans-Canada highway name in different forms;<br clear="none"></li><li style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:11pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;">The issue above is repeating for the ref tag;<br clear="none"></li><li style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:11pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;">The name of Trans-Canada highway has more than one form (Trans-Canada Highway, TransCanada Highway, Trans Canada Highway, etc);<br clear="none"></li><li style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:11pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;">Another issue is the variety of names in other tags related to it (such as: name:en, name:fr, alt_name, alt_name:en, alt_name:fr, nat_name);<br clear="none"></li><li style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:11pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;">There are some routes that don’t have a route name only ref (5 routes);<br clear="none"></li><li style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:11pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><div>There are some routes that overlap: <br clear="none"></div>
<ul style="margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;"><li style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:11pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;">in Manitoba: - PTH 1 (MB Trans-Canada Highway) and Trans-Canada Highway (Super);<br clear="none"></li></ul></li></ul><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="ydpf588d288yiv1038089296font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="ydpf588d288yiv1038089296size" style="font-size:11pt;"> - Yellowhead Highway and PTH 16 (MB Trans-Canada Highway);</span></span><br clear="none"></p><ul style="margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;"><ul style="margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;"><li style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:11pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;">in Alberta: Trans-Canada Highway (AB) and Trans-Canada Highway (Super);<br clear="none"></li><li style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:11pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;">in British Columbia: - Trans-Canada Highway (BC, Super) and Trans-Canada Highway;<br clear="none"></li></ul></ul><ul style="margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;"><li style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:11pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;">About 90% of these routes are broken;<br clear="none"></li><li style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:11pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;">About 80% of these routes have highway value flip flop (motorway, trunk, primary);<br clear="none"></li></ul><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="ydpf588d288yiv1038089296font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="ydpf588d288yiv1038089296size" style="font-size:11pt;"> </span></span><br clear="none"></p><p style="text-indent:18pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="ydpf588d288yiv1038089296font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="ydpf588d288yiv1038089296size" style="font-size:11pt;">We propose to make some improvements to standardize all the routes. We would like to get your thoughts and feedback on the following questions:</span></span><br clear="none"></p><ul style="margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;"><li style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:11pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;">What is the correct form for the name that appears in the way name tag? For example: “Highway 417” is part of Trans-Canada Highway and has the name value tag “Highway 417”. To resolve this issue, we would
need to standardize the ways’ name tag for all the provinces. The question is, should we modify the way names in to “Trans-Canada Highway”, or should we insert the name “Trans-Canada Highway” at the end of the name, like this: “Highway 417 (Trans-Canada Highway)”,
or should we leave it like it is?<br clear="none"></li><li style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:11pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;">Another issue is related to the official name of the highway. According to our research the official name for Trans-Canada Highway is “Trans-Canada Highway”. In our research we have found several forms of
this name: TransCanada Highway, Trans Canada Highway, etc. Should we change all the names to “Trans-Canada Highway”?<br clear="none"></li></ul><ul style="margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;"><li style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:11pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;">Another question is related to the priority of the names in the name value tag and also for the ref tag. If we have a way that has a street name (“Old Highway 16” or “North York River Road”) and two routes
that overlap (ex: Trans-Canada Highway and Highway 11). What is the name and the ref that should appear in the way name tag and ref tag?<br clear="none"></li><li style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:11pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;">In case of overlapping identical routes (ex: in Manitoba there is two routes for Trans-Canada Highway). What should be the best approach?<br clear="none"></li><li style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:11pt;margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;">In case of highway value flip flop (motorway, trunk, primary), there are several segments like this outside the cities (ex.: Route “Ontario Highway 17 (Blind River to North Bay) (ID 3739829)”, or Route “Trans
Canada Highway 104” (ID 1732797)). For areas outside the cities we propose to change the highway value into motorway/trunk. What do you think about this issue?<br clear="none"></li></ul><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="ydpf588d288yiv1038089296font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="ydpf588d288yiv1038089296size" style="font-size:11pt;"> </span></span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="ydpf588d288yiv1038089296font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="ydpf588d288yiv1038089296size" style="font-size:11pt;">We think that one approach to resolve the first problem could be to add “Trans-Canada Highway” or “Highway 417 (Trans-Canada Highway)” to the way name for all the routes, and the ref number correspondent to each route that forms the Trans-Canada
Highway.</span></span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="ydpf588d288yiv1038089296font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="ydpf588d288yiv1038089296size" style="font-size:11pt;"> </span></span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="ydpf588d288yiv1038089296font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="ydpf588d288yiv1038089296size" style="font-size:11pt;">We look forward to hearing your feedback and hope to improve the situation together.</span></span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="ydpf588d288yiv1038089296font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="ydpf588d288yiv1038089296size" style="font-size:11pt;"> </span></span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="ydpf588d288yiv1038089296font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="ydpf588d288yiv1038089296size" style="font-size:11pt;">Here is the link to github ticket that we created: <a shape="rect" style="text-decoration:underline;color:rgb(5, 99, 193);" href="https://github.com/TelenavMapping/mapping-projects/issues/57" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> https://github.com/TelenavMapping/mapping-projects/issues/57</a></span></span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="ydpf588d288yiv1038089296font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="ydpf588d288yiv1038089296size" style="font-size:11pt;"> </span></span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="ydpf588d288yiv1038089296font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="ydpf588d288yiv1038089296size" style="font-size:11pt;">Regards,</span></span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="ydpf588d288yiv1038089296font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="ydpf588d288yiv1038089296size" style="font-size:11pt;">Olivia Robu</span></span><br clear="none"></p></div>
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