<div dir="auto">Good heavens you mean we should spell out OCtranspo as Ottawa Carleton Transpo in case any American tourists get confused?<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Unfortunately the locals will probably get confused with this and whilst we should cater to these foreign tourists I think what is on the signs locally will be less confusing to the locals unless of course we get many more people streaming in to escape Donald.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Or have I misunderstood some poor American?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Cheerio John</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, 12 Aug 2018, 4:48 pm OSM Volunteer stevea, <<a href="mailto:steveaOSM@softworkers.com">steveaOSM@softworkers.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Dusting off a month-old thread...<br>
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Damien and Jarek, it seems the examples listed below both fit into a "citizen mappers coalescing on a local/regional way to do things" as well as a "somebody unfamiliar with Canadian transport mapping w.r.t. naming, network and operator tag conventions" (maybe who reads our wikis, maybe who does OT queries...) can figure this out quickly and sensibly. It's great to see that's where things have landed, pretty close to a sweet-spot/bullseye.<br>
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However (if I have to "spoil" a good thing, oh, well, this is a discussion forum...) I do think that operator=RATP is a bit curt even as "tout le monde à Paris sait ce que signifie la RATP." (I recall being asked in a Regional Transportation Commission meeting what AASHTO stood for and I got it wrong, but then quickly got it right on the next try seconds later, alas, "too late"). It is true that an OSM convention is name=Saint Louis instead of name=St. Louis; abbreviations are frowned upon in databases like OSM because they are "one-way in the wrong way." Please let us not allow perfection to become the enemy of the very good or even excellent and well-thought out and discussed, as are developing public_transport OSM data in Canada. We're making a great map.<br>
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Thank you again for spirited and interesting discussion.<br>
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SteveA<br>
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> On Jul 16, 2018, at 6:06 PM, Damien Riegel <<a href="mailto:damien.riegel@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">damien.riegel@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> On 12 July 2018 at 17:17, OSM Volunteer stevea <<a href="mailto:steveaOSM@softworkers.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">steveaOSM@softworkers.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> On Jul 12, 2018, at 1:46 PM, Jarek Piórkowski <<a href="mailto:jarek@piorkowski.ca" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jarek@piorkowski.ca</a>> wrote:<br>
> > Damien's question appears to be about nodes like<br>
> > <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/438843513" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/438843513</a>, which has<br>
> > name=Berri-UQAM, operator=Société de transport de Montréal.<br>
> > short_name=STM seems inappropriate here, we could do<br>
> > operator:short_name=STM or something but it seems a bit much.<br>
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> Thank you for your analysis and reporting to the list, Jarek! Yes, I agree that operator:short_name=STM is a bit of "overkill" (getting over-specific on the key side).<br>
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> > The nearby station <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/26233453" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/26233453</a> has<br>
> > name=Jean-Drapeau, network=STM, operator=Société de transport de<br>
> > Montréal which seems like an attempt as good as we might get. Commuter<br>
> > rail station <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/548900549" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/548900549</a> has<br>
> > network=RTM, operator=Réseau de transport métropolitain which fits<br>
> > that scheme as well. Similar with a random bus line on North Shore<br>
> > <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3472432" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3472432</a><br>
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