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12pt;font-family: Verdana;">The Canadian Federal Government Open Data
License is one of the few that has been formally approved by the legal
working group. I would have preferred to see it released through the
Treasury Board's Open Data portal that way there is no question about
the license but I accept Alessandro's statement it is released under
that license.<br><br>In the same way that we do not import everything
that CANVEC offers through the Treasury Board Open Data portal I think
we need to examine and treat this data in the same way. James has
already made a comment on part of it.<br><br>There is a history of
importing data from the TB Open Portal in small quantities on an Ad Hoc
basis which makes drawing a line to say none of this data should be used
unless there is an import plan that has been approved etc.<br><br>The
pilot was different. There we did a formal import plan for Ottawa and
the decision was taken by local Ottawa mappers to proceed and they did
the import.<br><br>Importing everything that Stats Canada could find
across Canada is a little different. Who are the local mappers who make
the decision to go ahead or not? Remember that parts of Canada are
closer to Europe than the west coast.<br><br>Should it be done using a
grid?<br><br>Who should do it? and that is an interesting question
given that mapper resources are not unlimited and doing an import is
more complex than running a maperthon with new mappers.<br><br>Cheerio
John<br><br><span>Дмитрий Киселев wrote on 2018-11-01 3:47 PM:</span><br><blockquote
type="cite"
cite="mid:CAA9QNxMdYGKfRVdVEh6EoJ1_yVkPfOHach8fZALXzh=3xfMOFQ@mail.gmail.com"><div
dir="ltr">Hi John,<div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span
style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:16px">Looks like the wiki needs
amending to only list open data with the correct license either
separately or a note added to each entry.</span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>what's
the status of OGL-CA is it compatible or not,</div><div>or compatible
with some restrictions or only for some datasets?</div><div><br></div><div>StatsCan
just published building footprints dataset under OGL-CA it's of course
quite controversial </div><div>do we want to import some parts of that
dataset or not, but looks like there is no concerns about </div><div>license
compatibility (at least on mailing list), </div><div>Is that true or
not, or we don't have legal answer which we can rely on? </div></div><br><div
class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">вс, 21 окт. 2018 г. в 11:52, John
Whelan <<a href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true">jwhelan0112@gmail.com</a>>:<br></div><blockquote
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:12pt"
bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><div
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana">Looks like the wiki needs
amending to only
list open data with the correct license either separately or a note
added to each entry. I have noticed before there is no authority listed
on the wiki.<br><br>Cheerio John<br><br><span>Дмитрий Киселев wrote on
2018-10-21 10:28 AM:</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div
dir="ltr">About source, I suppose it's<div><br></div><div><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada#Open_Data"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada#Open_Data</a>
[12]</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">вс,
21 окт. 2018 г. в 10:20, Frederik Ramm <<a
href="mailto:frederik@remote.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">frederik@remote.org</a>>:<br></div><blockquote
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
<br>
there's a mapper in Canada - Darthmouthmapper - who seems to:<br>
<br>
1. import data from a source he calls "Nova Scotia Open Data" - I am not<br>
aware of any imports discussion, and the source specification is not<br>
precise enough to determine the legal status of that. Judging from past<br>
changeset comments, whatever imports procedure is used must have a<br>
number of flaws.<br>
<br>
2. import administrative boundaries<br>
<br>
2a. as a mesh of closed ways (where most people would prefer relations),<br>
<br>
2b. with, among other things, the tags "_Shape_Area_=yes",<br>
"addrcountry=Canada" (no colon!), "addr:postcode" (which is not<br>
generally used for objects that do not represent an address), and<br>
"type=land_area" (which is not generally used on closed ways).<br>
<br>
2c. The combination of a level-8 admin boundary and place=village is<br>
also unusual (eg <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/616463020"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/616463020</a>)
but I<br>
cannot judge if this is normal in Canada. This is also used in<br>
residential areas <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/636390857"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/636390857</a>
- is this<br>
area really a "village"?<br>
<br>
3. use a ton of is_in tags which are highly unusual nowadays<br>
<br>
4. occasionally change existing relations (not ways) from type=boundary<br>
to type=land_area (<a
href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/8417484/history"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/8417484/history</a>)<br>
<br>
5. add addr:postcode and addr:province to place=village nodes<br>
<br>
6. revert corrections applied to this by other users, claiming that "The<br>
video and instructions state these can be part of the ways"<br>
<br>
A number of people have complained in the past<br>
<a
href="http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=698649&commented"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=698649&commented</a><br>
but many of the issues seem to be present still.<br>
<br>
Before I ask him to fix this -- are any of the behaviours / mapping<br>
techniques outlined above somehow usual in Canada?<br>
<br>
Bye<br>
Frederik<br>
<br>
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