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<p>Hi Yaro, <br>
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<p>Thanks for marking this as on-hold in the tasking manager. I know
I came in like a wrecking ball and I really appreciate y'all
holding things up while we discuss. <br>
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<p>I'd be happy to validate data and help import the rest of central
Toronto once we're up and running again! I use the data in this
area a lot in my work... so I have a vested interest in keeping it
at it's best :-)<br>
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<p>As to the conflation issue, one of the things we're doing in the
other import I'm working on is that we've essentially split it
into two parts. First we're importing buildings that don't
conflict with OSM at all - this is the easy part - and only later
will we go in a bit more surgically and try to add tags to
existing ways and replace geometries with better data. We haven't
started that part yet, though I imagine it will be a real slog.
IMO, it seems like a lot to ask that editors do both things at
once as these are really very different tasks, especially given
the size of the tasks here. <br>
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<p>I wonder if you'd have any interest in a similar separation of
tasks for this import? I think one of the benefits is that less
experienced mappers can get their hands dirty on the easier
new-data-import part, without having to be expert on which
geometry is better, how to preserve way histories and tags, etc.
Like I said, we haven't started this part yet in the other import,
but even I find the prospect a little daunting! <br>
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<p>Best,<br>
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<div class="moz-signature">Nate Wessel<br>
<span style="font-size:10px;color:#777">Jack of all trades, Master
of Geography, PhD candidate in Urban Planning<br>
<a href="http://natewessel.com">NateWessel.com</a></span>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/18/19 2:15 PM, Yaro Shkvorets
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<div dir="ltr">Nate,
<div>I'll change the project name to reflect that the import
is on hold. As a local mapper, if you want to take a lead on
the Toronto import that'd be great. </div>
<div>I did review some of DannyMcD's edits last night
(Mississauga-Brampton-Vaughan) and to be honest was rather
disappointed with the quality. It appears Danny chose to
import only new buildings (i.e. residential homes mostly),
leaving most of the existing hand-traced non-residential
building outlines in OSM untouched. That's unfortunate, the
dataset offers some really good data and leaving half of it
behind makes it more difficult to revisit in the future.</div>
<div>In my edits (Markham-Scarborough-East York) I was aiming
to replace as many existing geometries with outlines from
the import as possible. I think that's what we should be
trying to do going forward.</div>
<div>Looking forward to your comments and discussion. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 1:07 PM Nate Wessel <<a
href="mailto:bike756@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true">bike756@gmail.com</a>>
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<p>Hi all,</p>
<p>I've just joined the talk-ca list, so please accept my
apologies for not addressing this list earlier. I'm happy
to take this thread off the imports list for now and onto
talk-ca until things are ready to begin again. The next
person to reply can please feel free to remove that email
if they agree. <br>
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<p>I've just made a note on the draft import plan wiki page
noting that the import has been stopped:<br>
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<p><a
class="gmail-m_2465862792154107082moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Canada_Stats_Canada_Building_Outlines_Import/Plan"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Canada_Stats_Canada_Building_Outlines_Import/Plan</a></p>
<p>I would really appreciate it if the person with admin
access to the tasking manager projects could please take
those offline for the moment, or perhaps place them in a
validation-only mode if that's possible. <br>
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<p>Like I said in my last email, which perhaps didn't make
it to the talk-ca list
(<a
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href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/imports/2019-January/005886.html"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/imports/2019-January/005886.html</a>)
I'm now proposing that we leave the data that has already
been imported and enter a phase of thorough validation on
that data. <br>
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<p>My plan, over the next several days, is to do a general
survey of the quality of the data that has been imported
so far and make a list of systematic issues I see that
should be addressed before we can consider moving forward
again. I'll add those comments to the conversation in
talk-ca and on the wiki page (link above), as I feel is
appropriate. As I said before, I'm of the mind that this
import did not get adequate review or approval and did not
follow all the import guidelines. I think therefore we
need to take stock, cross the t's, dot the i's, and move
this thing back toward where it needs to be. Step one is a
thoroughly documented wiki page outlining the proposal and
responding to everything required in the import
guidelines. <br>
<a
class="gmail-m_2465862792154107082moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines</a><br>
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<p>I know there are people excited about this import, and
people who are eager to get back to work bringing
buildings in, but I think everyone will be happier in the
end if we take the time to do this right. We don't need to
stop forever - we just need to stop until we get things
right. I sincerely respect the good intentions of everyone
involved in this and I hope we can all work together to
make OSM a map known for it's coverage AND it's quality. <br>
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<p>Best,<br>
</p>
<div class="gmail-m_2465862792154107082moz-signature">Nate
Wessel<br>
<span style="font-size:10px;color:rgb(119,119,119)">Jack
of all trades, Master of Geography, PhD candidate in
Urban Planning<br>
<a href="http://natewessel.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">NateWessel.com</a></span> <br>
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1/17/19 9:05 PM, OSM Volunteer stevea wrote:<br>
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