<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">My background is I'm a retired civil servant who has written and overseen procurement documents and fairly large procurements. Dotting the is and crossing the Ts are my speciality.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">There are two parts to an import. The first part is the part played by the import mailing group. They confine themselves to is the license correct and do you have a reasonable plan. In this case the license is one of the few that has been confirmed by the Legal Working Group of OpenStreetMap and as such no questions were raised about it on the import mailing list. We have methodology that has been used before successfully with the Ottawa building outline import. There were major discussions both on talk-ca and the import mailing group before that import took place and we took note of the issues raised and addressed them. The licensing issue goes back about eight years to when I was talking to Federal Government Treasury Board and explaining their Open Data license did not align with OSM. That is why their license is now known as 2.0.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">The second part is the local group makes the decision to import they are the authority no one else.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Apparently you were not part of the talk-ca when the discussions took place which would have been the time and place to raise concerns.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">When the Ottawa import was done there were one or two places where the existing buildings and the import overlapped. In the instructions on the import there are instructions to cover this. Specifically there is a validation step. I seem to recall the error rate was of the order of 1% and I expect this latest batch to be roughly the same.<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">If you can identify which municipalities data is of poor quality then I'm sure we can remove these. For the most part these are from the foundation plans recorded by the municipality using professional surveying techniques.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Would you like to clarify exactly where I failed to dot the Is and cross the Ts please.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Many Thanks</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">John<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 13:37, Nate Wessel <<a href="mailto:bike756@gmail.com">bike756@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Hi John, <br>
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<p>As Steve has said, you seem to be the only one suggesting that
thousands of import committees might need to be formed. Certainly
I'm not suggesting that.</p>
<p>My understanding of OSM import procedure (and wiki-style projects
more generally) is that imports should operate in an essentially
consensual way where possible. The goal is to build consent and
bring people on board with a project or a change by addressing
their concerns in a meaningful and respectful way. <br>
</p>
<p>I think that I have made some substantive and troubling claims
about the quality of the data being imported. I've pointed out
that this project has not followed the import procedures that were
produced by a community of mappers larger than just those in
Canada. <br>
</p>
<p>So to respond to your implication, I am in some sense the one
reviewing the project, just as I would welcome you to find ways
that my own contributions could be better. If you want my
credentials for reviewing your work, here they are:</p>
<p>1) I am an active contributor to OSM in Toronto, where I live
(and elsewhere)<br>
</p>
<p>2) I am currently helping to lead a building import in Hamilton
County Ohio that has better addressed some of the issues I see
this import struggling with. I can help you do the same.<br>
</p>
<p>3) I've been doing research in GIS for a long time now, though I
don't need that to tell you that the issues I've described are
hardly insurmountable technically or even all that difficult to
fix. It would take maybe one day's hard work to get the technical
side of this right. <br>
</p>
<p> I think Canadian OSMers will agree that we can take a pause to
get things right on such a massive import. If they don't - if I'm
shouted down or better, if my critiques are adequately addressed,
then I will leave you to finish the project in peace. I might even
lend a hand if all goes well, as I sincerely hope it does :-)</p>
<p>Best,<br>
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<div class="gmail-m_4868754124937657174moz-signature">Nate Wessel<br>
<span style="font-size:10px;color:rgb(119,119,119)">Jack of all trades, Master
of Geography, PhD candidate in Urban Planning<br>
<a href="http://natewessel.com" target="_blank">NateWessel.com</a></span>
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<div class="gmail-m_4868754124937657174moz-cite-prefix">On 1/18/19 1:11 PM, john whelan wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">I know
of no other way to contact him but he made an interesting
comment that the project is on hold in the wiki pending
review.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Would
he care to comment on who is supposed to be reviewing the
project?</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">My
understanding is that the import was raised in talk-ca before
it commenced for comment and these were generally favourable.
I took that as the local mappers to Canada had been consulted
and they are the "local mappers" authority in this case.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">I
understand he has concerns about local mappers making
decisions but in Canada we have been importing similar data
through CANVEC for some time. CANVEC data comes from a number
of sources including municipal data.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Is he
suggesting that each of the 3,700 municipalities in Canada
should form a group of local mappers who can make individual
decisions on whether their municipal data should be imported
and we should end up with 3,700 import plans?</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Thanks
John</div>
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