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<p>John, <br>
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<p>IMO, this is a red herring and I think you must recognize that to
at least some degree. Just like no one suggested we do 3700 import
plans, no on has suggested that we not add buildings to OSM. The
question is how, and if that "how" in part is an import, then what
data, at what speed, by who, etc?<br>
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<p>We're not debating between "import" and "nothing" here. There
were tens of thousands of carefully hand-mapped buildings in
Toronto before you and a couple others rode in and quietly changed
everything in the course of a week. <br>
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<p>I'd like to point out to you the interesting case of Kenton
County Kentucky:<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/361564">https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/361564</a></p>
<p>Go ahead and zoom in and take a good look at that data. Poke
around the rest of Northern Kentucky too while you're at it.
Notice how good not only the building data is, but landuses, named
places, etc. The only substantial import this area has ever seen
is the TIGER road import of about a decade ago. By the time we
started our Hamilton County building import (just north of the
river), there were more than 150,000 buildings added by hand in
the region already. <br>
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<p>I'm not saying this is the way Toronto/Canada needs to develop,
but don't imply that it's impossible - it isn't. <br>
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<p>Cheers,<br>
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<div class="moz-signature">Nate Wessel<br>
<span style="font-size:10px;color:#777">Jack of all trades, Master
of Geography, PhD candidate in Urban Planning<br>
<a href="http://natewessel.com">NateWessel.com</a></span>
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moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.bing.com/maps?FORM=Z9LH3</a></div>
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Hope Ontario is relatively obscure yet both Bing and
google have buildings and neither company would spend
the money dropping them in unless they saw a demand.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">A
small sample but I'm sure that others are quite capable
of looking locally for themselves.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">I'm
a shades of grey person so to me there is no absolute
need to have buildings in OpenStreetMap and I think
different end users have different expectations. I seem
to recall osmand has a street only map which takes up
less room on the device. It's perfectly adequate for
some users.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">I
can make a case for both having them and not having
any. On the not having any way up there would be the
buildings added by inexperienced mappers using iD often
in HOT projects. There are duplicates, strange shapes
that bare no relation to any imagery, and city blocks
marked as a single building. On the having them side
would be where can I get a coffee and wifi?<br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">There
are many users of the map who would like to see
buildings or more importantly have building information
available in an electronic form.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">For
Ottawa I think I can safely say the local mappers are
happy with the imported buildings. In OpenStreetMap
there will always be a range of points of view.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">As
you say it is for the local mappers to decide what they
would like to do. In this case is it difficult to
define the local mappers.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
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John<br>
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