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<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Hi, <br>
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<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">It sounds fine for me.
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On 2019-09-10 7:54 a.m., john whelan wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Looks good to me and if Matthew has cast his eye
over it and not spotted anything major then I think we can
safely say Ottawa is happy with it.
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<div dir="auto">Cheerio John</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Sep 9, 2019, 9:57 PM
Pierre Béland via Talk-ca, <<a
href="mailto:talk-ca@openstreetmap.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">talk-ca@openstreetmap.org</a>>
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bien préciser, mais les collègues d'Ontario pourront mieux
répondre.
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<div>Le lun., sept. 9 2019 à 3:11 PM, Jarek Piórkowski</div>
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0;border-left:1px solid #6d00f6"> Hi Pierre,<br
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(I responded via email at first, but realized one more
thing, so<br clear="none">
adding on and sending to talk-ca:)<br clear="none">
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The proposed wiki addition does start with "In Ontario".
However<br clear="none">
thanks bringing this up, as I realized I forgot to
account for parts<br clear="none">
of Ontario where streets will be named in French - this
change should<br clear="none">
not apply to those.<br clear="none">
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I am changing the suggested wording to:<br clear="none">
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In parts of **Ontario** that primarily name streets
in English,<br clear="none">
street and road names containing initial "St." or "St"
should only be<br clear="none">
expanded to "Saint" when "Saint" is common usage for
that street. To<br clear="none">
be clear, this overrides the general rule<br
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<a shape="rect"
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Names#Abbreviation_.28don.27t_do_it.29"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Names#Abbreviation_.28don.27t_do_it.29</a><br
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for "St." which does not stand for "street". As with
other names in<br clear="none">
OSM, factors you might want to consider when determining
common usage<br clear="none">
include spellings posted on street signs ("on the
ground" rule),<br clear="none">
spellings used in local media, GeoBase street name data,
and spellings<br clear="none">
used by official municipal sources including open data
datasets. See<br clear="none">
discussion on talk-ca [0].<br clear="none">
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Would this wording be fine for Ottawa and other
bilingual areas, or am<br clear="none">
I missing a pitfall?<br clear="none">
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Thanks,<br clear="none">
--Jarek<br clear="none">
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On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 at 08:51, Pierre Béland <<a
shape="rect" href="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr"
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wrote:<br clear="none">
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> Marek<br clear="none">
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> Ces instructions ne s'appliquent pas à toutes les
provinces. Il faudrait donc indiquer sur la page wiki
à quelles provinces elles s'appliquent<br clear="none">
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> Pierre<br clear="none">
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> Envoyé à partir de Yahoo Courriel sur Android<br
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> Le lun., sept. 9 2019 à 2:51 AM, Jarek Piórkowski<br
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> <<a shape="rect"
href="mailto:jarek@piorkowski.ca" target="_blank"
rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">jarek@piorkowski.ca</a>>
a écrit :<br clear="none">
> Hello,<br clear="none">
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> I'm following up on the thread about saints and
lack thereof in street<br clear="none">
> names from a couple of months ago (see archives
[1] [2]).<br clear="none">
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> I would like to suggest the following wording
added to Canadian<br clear="none">
> tagging guidelines at<br clear="none">
> <a shape="rect"
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canadian_tagging_guidelines#Street_names"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canadian_tagging_guidelines#Street_names</a><br
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> :<br clear="none">
><br clear="none">
> In Ontario, street and road names containing
initial "St." or "St"<br clear="none">
> should only be expanded to "Saint" when "Saint"
is common usage for<br clear="none">
> that street. To be clear, this overrides the
general rule<br clear="none">
> <a shape="rect"
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Names#Abbreviation_.28don.27t_do_it.29"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Names#Abbreviation_.28don.27t_do_it.29</a><br
clear="none">
> for "St." which does not stand for "street". As
with other names in<br clear="none">
> OSM, factors you might want to consider when
determining common usage<br clear="none">
> include spellings posted on street signs ("on the
ground" rule),<br clear="none">
> spellings used in local media, GeoBase street
name data, and spellings<br clear="none">
> used by official municipal sources including open
data datasets. See<br clear="none">
> discussion on talk-ca [0].<br clear="none">
><br clear="none">
> where [0] would be a link to this message/thread
archive. (Comments on<br clear="none">
> the wording and suggestions appreciated!)<br
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><br clear="none">
> Is anyone opposed to this change?<br clear="none">
><br clear="none">
> I have attempted to advertise/announce this
proposed change. This was:<br clear="none">
> - posted in this mailing list in March/April of
this year (some quoted<br clear="none">
> below, see list archives for more discussion)<br
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> - I posted a note <a shape="rect"
href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/1741334"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/1741334
</a>in<br clear="none">
> Toronto with a link to this thread (supportive
responses from Kevo and<br clear="none">
> DannyMcD)<br clear="none">
> - on April 10, sent a message [2] with a link to
the note to editors<br clear="none">
> who were showing up as top editors on<br
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> <a shape="rect"
href="http://osmstats.neis-one.org/?item=countries&country=Canada"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://osmstats.neis-one.org/?item=countries&country=Canada</a><br
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> (they aren't necessarily representative of the
community, but it's<br clear="none">
> really the closest we can reasonably do given our
current tooling) [3]<br clear="none">
> (no private message responses)<br clear="none">
> - posted on OSM Canada Slack on 17 August<br
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> <a shape="rect"
href="https://osm-ca.slack.com/archives/CASP8UQNT/p1566053199044200"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://osm-ca.slack.com/archives/CASP8UQNT/p1566053199044200</a><br
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> (supportive responses from Matthew Darwin and
Eric Geiler)<br clear="none">
> - on August 27, sent a few more private messages
to editors in top 50<br clear="none">
> on the stats page who had done Ontario edits [4]
(no private message<br clear="none">
> responses)<br clear="none">
><br clear="none">
> If you know of anyone else who might have a
further opinion on this,<br clear="none">
> please forward as possible.<br clear="none">
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> Thanks,<br clear="none">
> --Jarek<br clear="none">
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