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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Team Canada, (unsure who this should be address to)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">We are a local/regional courier and trucking company in southern Ontario with a decent sized fleet. We are using Mapbox for our mapping / nav engine, therefore subject to using OSM data. We have noticed
a number of “issues/lack of data” for southern Ontario. This ranges from lack of lane info, to lack of buildings, missing streets, missing exit/on-ramps to for Hwy 400 (which we added, and had Mapbox expedite the changesets) as it affected navigation for
our drivers.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">We are currently using a few devices to provide street level imagery via Mapillary, with a push coming shortly to map 1000km per day of street imagery. We are currently mapping about 250km per day in York
Region. Our internal goal is to provide /gathered street level imagery for 75% York Region by end of January 2020.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">We are not in a position to provide map edits etc, as due to staff resources and lack of experience, our staff are not suited to become ‘map editors’ as our core business is transportation. We are just trying
to assist the editors with accurate ground level info.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">I would be interested in further understanding how we can become involved on a regional level to improve OSM in southern Ontario.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="color:windowtext"> Nate Wessel <bike756@gmail.com>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 27, 2019 12:03 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> talk-ca@openstreetmap.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>John, <br>
You are once again purposely mischaracterizing my position on this and I do not appreciate it one bit. Your import did not follow the import guidelines and was not approved by the broader community. It was not sent out to the mailing list, it was barely documented,
it was not posted on the import page on the wiki... I could go on. I was not the only person who had a problem with it - I was just the first to say something. The buildings imported in Toronto were very low quality IMO and the changes were happening very,
very quickly and without notice.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>But we do not need to rehash old fights. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I would like to see buildings (re)imported in Toronto (the rest of Canada is not really my business), but I would like to see it done right. I can elaborate what I mean by that, but so can the archives of this mailing list. If people are interested in engaging
in a serious discussion about moving forward with a building import for Toronto, I am happy to engage constructively with that.
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<p>Respectfully,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Nate Wessel<span style="font-size:7.5pt">, PhD<br>
Planner, Cartographer, Transport Nerd<br>
<a href="http://www.natewessel.com"><span style="text-decoration:none">NateWessel.com</span></a></span>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 2019-09-27 11:44 a.m., john whelan wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">From memory we have imported Ottawa's buildings under the correct license (Stat Can so the federal government's open data license) and the quality was deemed acceptable by
the local mappers.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Then we opened up a second import plan to import buildings and a fair number were imported. This included an task manager set up with tiles to assist the mapping.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">The data sources were different as each municipality created their own source.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">My understanding is some mappers thought the data should be preprocessed and two or three were going to come up with a plan to preprocess the data.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">About that time an American mapper, Nate, who was living in Toronto took exception to 1,000,000 buildings being imported in Western Canada and requested the DWG to remove them
without waiting for discussion on talk-ca to address his concerns.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">We do have three sources of correctly licensed data, the Stat Can data sets, the Microsoft data sets, and the NR Canada LiDAR data.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I do know that a number of departments and agencies would like to use buildings and although they can use the open data sources using OSM would be more convenient.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I'm not sure what if anything is happening at the moment.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Are we expecting local groups to draw up their own import plan as Ottawa did since we seem to be unable to get a consensus across Canada?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">My gut feeling is with three sources of data we'll see new mappers importing in buildings without going through an import process. Are we content to let that happen?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Have whoever it was who was going to come up with a preprocessing plan done so? Has it been accepted by the rest of us?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I note that Pierre has noted there is now a validation process in JOSM for correcting buildings that are not quite 90 degrees on the corners. Would an acceptable approach
be to import then return to check the angles on the corners and correct them?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Does Nate still have unaddressed concerns about buildings being imported in Western Canada?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Can we get a consensus about what to do next?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Thanks John<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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