<div dir="ltr">Yeah, it changes from place to place and what has historically been the standard. I'm not against changing the standard, maybe we just need a better or updated definition for what can be a primary road in Ontario.<div><br></div><div>Perhaps we make some standards for the heavily urbanised areas of Ontario where "provincial highway or former provincial highway" isn't a useful definition. There are several Regional roads/numbered city roads that would come to mind that would be decent candidates, as they connect lower and/or upper tier municipalities, usually direct traffic to 400-Series Highways, have heavy volume, and allow trucks.</div><div><br></div><div>Thoughts?<br><div><div><div><br></div><div>-Kevin<br><br></div></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 at 21:08, Andrew Deng <<a href="mailto:andrewdeng93@yahoo.ca">andrewdeng93@yahoo.ca</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:"times new roman","new york",times,serif;font-size:16px"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">I thought the tagging would be similar to the US, where roads are tagged based on its traffic volume and importance which is why I thought Yonge should be Primary. I see now.</div><div><br></div><div><div style="font-family:"new times",serif;font-size:16px"><div>--</div><div><p style="margin:0px 0px 11px"><span style="margin:0px;color:black;line-height:17.12px;font-family:"New serif";font-size:12pt"> </span></p><p style="margin:0px 0px 11px"><span style="margin:0px;color:black;line-height:17.12px;font-family:"New serif";font-size:12pt"></span><span style="margin:0px;color:black;line-height:17.12px;font-size:12pt">Andrew</span></p></div></div></div></div></div><div><div style="font-family:"new times",serif;font-size:16px"><div><div style="margin:0px 0px 11px"><span style="margin:0px;color:black;line-height:107%"><font face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif" size="2" style="background-color:inherit">Student</font></span></div>
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<div><div id="gmail-m_-8224077019813636288yiv5521758125"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Hey Andrew,</div><div><br clear="none"></div>I'm in agreement with Justin. I think it's too urban a road, with urban speed limits along almost its entire length and many traffic lights. I definitely wouldn't consider the part of Yonge through downtown Toronto (or most of Toronto for that matter) to be Primary, with truck traffic banned and urban speed limits/road designs. Arguably the subway has lowered the importance of Yonge Street for cars/trucks. As for intercity travel, the 400-Series Highways have generally made travel using former King's Highways in the Golden Horseshoe a thing of the past (hence the download in the '90s), so being a former Provincial Highway is too simple of a definition, IMO.<div><br clear="none"></div><div>Some of those former King's Highways you mentioned in your email were tagged as Secondary from when they were first digitized until they were changed a year or so ago by one user, so they haven't always been like that and weren't really changed by consensus (thanks for the email, btw).</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>My thoughts/opinion anyways...</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Cheers,<br clear="none"><div><br clear="none"></div><div>-Kevin<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div></div><br clear="none"><div><div id="gmail-m_-8224077019813636288yiv5521758125yqt75986"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 at 14:09, Justin Tracey <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:j3tracey@gmail.com" target="_blank">j3tracey@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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many cross streets to be really considered highway-like, at least
for most of its length. You can look at some of the other
highway=primary roads in the area to see a more typical
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<div dir="ltr">Hello, I believe Yonge Street
in Toronto and York Region (Regional Road 1) should be tagged
as highway=primary rather than highway=secondary as it is
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the "Main Street" of Toronto, Thornhill, Richmond Hill, and
Aurora. It is also a major road in Newmarket.</div>
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throughout the route. In Toronto, the Yonge subway follows it
and in York Region, Viva bus lanes are being built. It also
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King's Highway - Highway 11. Some other former King's Highways
in the Toronto/York area are tagged as highway=primary, such
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