<html><head></head><body><div class="ydp7b1fe638yahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Jherome,</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Si je compares l'autoroute 417 vers Ottawa, j'observe les même conventions qu'au Québec pour numéroter les sorties en km à partir du début de l'autoroute (Frontière du Québec pour la 417). L'ajout du nom sur la node de la sortie est de toute évidence pour le rendu, mais au détriment de tous les autres éléments. Cela rend difficile de repérer le no. de sortie et en milieu urbain ces noms de lieux encombrent la carte rendant illisible le reste.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Lorsque je donne des instructions à quelqu'un je donne toujours les instructions<br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">1. le no. de sortie ( node <span><a title="La description de l’attribut highway sur le wiki" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Key:highway?uselang=fr" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">highway</a>
<a title="La description de l’attribut highway=motorway_junction sur le wiki" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Tag:highway=motorway junction?uselang=fr" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">motorway_junction</a></span> )<br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">2. ensuite suivre en direction de tel lieu ou route ( chemin <span><a title="La description de l’attribut highway sur le wiki" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Key:highway?uselang=fr" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">highway</a>
<a title="La description de l’attribut highway=motorway_link sur le wiki" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Tag:highway=motorway link?uselang=fr" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">motorway_link</a></span>, destination ... )<br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Et c'est ce que font les outils de navigation. Ils indiquent d'abord le no. de sortie ( node <span><span><a title="La description de l’attribut highway sur le wiki" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Key:highway?uselang=fr" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">highway</a>
<a title="La description de l’attribut highway=motorway_junction sur le wiki" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Tag:highway=motorway junction?uselang=fr" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">motorway_junction</a></span></span>) et ensuite le nom de la destination sur bretelle de sortie, là où doivent apparaitre les noms ( <span>chemin <span><a title="La description de l’attribut highway sur le wiki" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Key:highway?uselang=fr" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">highway</a>
<a title="La description de l’attribut highway=motorway_link sur le wiki" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Tag:highway=motorway link?uselang=fr" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">motorway_link</a></span></span> ).<br></div><br><div class="ydp7b1fe638signature"><span style="font-style:italic;color:rgb(0, 0, 191);font-weight:bold;"> <br><font style="background-color: inherit;" face="garamond, new york, times, serif">Pierre </font><br></span></div></div>
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<div><div id="ydpff13b33dyiv4350531302"><div>It may not be a tagging for the renderer issue, but it also has something to do with Ontarians saying “(road name) exit” instead of “exit (number)” as in Western Canada. Don't know how do Québécois refer to autoroute exits.</div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="ydpff13b33dyiv4350531302gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="ydpff13b33dyiv4350531302gmail_attr">On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 5:46 PM <<a href="mailto:talk-ca-request@openstreetmap.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">talk-ca-request@openstreetmap.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="ydpff13b33dyiv4350531302gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Send Talk-ca mailing list submissions to<br>
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1. Revisiting exits with “names” in Ontario and Quebec<br>
(Jherome Miguel)<br>
2. Re: Revisiting exits with “names” in Ontario and Quebec<br>
(James)<br>
3. Re: Revisiting exits with “names” in Ontario and Quebec<br>
(Jarek Piórkowski)<br>
4. Re: Revisiting exits with “names” in Ontario and Quebec<br>
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Date: Sat, 8 May 2021 14:30:55 -0600<br>
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Subject: [Talk-ca] Revisiting exits with “names” in Ontario and<br>
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Hello everyone,<br>
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I'm new to the list, but I'm reviving an older discussion about dealing<br>
with freeway/expressway/parkway/autoroute exits in Ontario and Quebec that<br>
use the name=* key to represent destination names that could be tagged on<br>
the ramp than on the exit. I've been able to mop some of these out in<br>
places such as the 412 and the 418, and part of the 407 in the GTA, the 401<br>
around Windsor, Autoroute 5 around Gatineau, and a short segment of the<br>
Conestoga Parkway at Kitchener-Waterloo, but there are thousands of these<br>
that remain, whether it be on the 400-series highways, the autoroutes of<br>
Quebec, or even Toronto's expressways like the Gardiner or the Allen. Some<br>
of my changes reverting those addition have been undone by others. Most of<br>
these are added by a user named “BlueJaysFan86”, while some around<br>
Gatineau, Montreal, and Quebec City are added by a few others.<br>
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Date: Sat, 8 May 2021 16:44:03 -0400<br>
From: James <<a href="mailto:james2432@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">james2432@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Revisiting exits with “names” in Ontario<br>
and Quebec<br>
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I think we were following this convention:<br>
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<a href="https://labs.mapbox.com/mapping/mapping-for-navigation/adding-exit-and-destination-signs/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://labs.mapbox.com/mapping/mapping-for-navigation/adding-exit-and-destination-signs/</a><br>
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On Sat., May 8, 2021, 4:34 p.m. Jherome Miguel, <<a href="mailto:jheromemiguel@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">jheromemiguel@gmail.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
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> Hello everyone,<br>
><br>
> I'm new to the list, but I'm reviving an older discussion about dealing<br>
> with freeway/expressway/parkway/autoroute exits in Ontario and Quebec that<br>
> use the name=* key to represent destination names that could be tagged on<br>
> the ramp than on the exit. I've been able to mop some of these out in<br>
> places such as the 412 and the 418, and part of the 407 in the GTA, the 401<br>
> around Windsor, Autoroute 5 around Gatineau, and a short segment of the<br>
> Conestoga Parkway at Kitchener-Waterloo, but there are thousands of these<br>
> that remain, whether it be on the 400-series highways, the autoroutes of<br>
> Quebec, or even Toronto's expressways like the Gardiner or the Allen. Some<br>
> of my changes reverting those addition have been undone by others. Most of<br>
> these are added by a user named “BlueJaysFan86”, while some around<br>
> Gatineau, Montreal, and Quebec City are added by a few others.<br>
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Message: 3<br>
Date: Sat, 8 May 2021 19:35:09 -0400<br>
From: Jarek Piórkowski <<a href="mailto:jarek@piorkowski.ca" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">jarek@piorkowski.ca</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Revisiting exits with “names” in Ontario<br>
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Unfortunately It's a pretty usual OSM problem... editors are at fault<br>
for tagging for the renderer, and osm-carto is arguably at fault for<br>
rendering name=* on exit nodes. [1]<br>
<br>
Tagging destination as name of node gets pretty unwieldy with names<br>
like "Kipling Avenue;Islington Avenue;Park Lawn Road", but other than<br>
the ref, name is the only tag that renders, so in it goes...<br>
<br>
Personally I agree with not having the destinations in the name, but<br>
it might be a bit of an uphill battle here - be sure it's one you want<br>
to spend your energy on.<br>
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[1] I think the initial idea in Europe was that this would be used for<br>
junctions that actually have names like "Denham Interchange" or<br>
"Dreieck Barnim" ("Freeman Interchange" is one I know of in Ontario).<br>
>From my Canadian point of view these would be better on a<br>
locality-style node in the middle of the junction, or a relation<br>
containing the junction nodes, not tagged on several exit nodes. But<br>
that's not really a thing, so here we are.<br>
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--Jarek<br>
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On Sat, 8 May 2021 at 16:47, James <<a href="mailto:james2432@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">james2432@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> I think we were following this convention:<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://labs.mapbox.com/mapping/mapping-for-navigation/adding-exit-and-destination-signs/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://labs.mapbox.com/mapping/mapping-for-navigation/adding-exit-and-destination-signs/</a><br>
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> On Sat., May 8, 2021, 4:34 p.m. Jherome Miguel, <<a href="mailto:jheromemiguel@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">jheromemiguel@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Hello everyone,<br>
>><br>
>> I'm new to the list, but I'm reviving an older discussion about dealing with freeway/expressway/parkway/autoroute exits in Ontario and Quebec that use the name=* key to represent destination names that could be tagged on the ramp than on the exit. I've been able to mop some of these out in places such as the 412 and the 418, and part of the 407 in the GTA, the 401 around Windsor, Autoroute 5 around Gatineau, and a short segment of the Conestoga Parkway at Kitchener-Waterloo, but there are thousands of these that remain, whether it be on the 400-series highways, the autoroutes of Quebec, or even Toronto's expressways like the Gardiner or the Allen. Some of my changes reverting those addition have been undone by others. Most of these are added by a user named “BlueJaysFan86”, while some around Gatineau, Montreal, and Quebec City are added by a few others.<br>
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Date: Sat, 8 May 2021 23:44:26 +0000 (UTC)<br>
From: Pierre Béland <<a href="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">pierzenh@yahoo.fr</a>><br>
To: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap <<a href="mailto:talk-ca@openstreetmap.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">talk-ca@openstreetmap.org</a>>, Jarek<br>
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Je penses que nous sommes tous d'accord la-dessus. J'ai fait de nombreuses modifications autour de Montréal, mais malheuresement oui il y a constamment des contributeurs qui observent ailleurs et ajoutent le nom sur le noeud de la jonction avec la sortie. Si quelqu'un à la patience ...<br>
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Pierre <br>
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Le samedi 8 mai 2021 19 h 37 min 38 s UTC−4, Jarek Piórkowski <<a href="mailto:jarek@piorkowski.ca" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">jarek@piorkowski.ca</a>> a écrit : <br>
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Unfortunately It's a pretty usual OSM problem... editors are at fault<br>
for tagging for the renderer, and osm-carto is arguably at fault for<br>
rendering name=* on exit nodes. [1]<br>
<br>
Tagging destination as name of node gets pretty unwieldy with names<br>
like "Kipling Avenue;Islington Avenue;Park Lawn Road", but other than<br>
the ref, name is the only tag that renders, so in it goes...<br>
<br>
Personally I agree with not having the destinations in the name, but<br>
it might be a bit of an uphill battle here - be sure it's one you want<br>
to spend your energy on.<br>
<br>
<br>
[1] I think the initial idea in Europe was that this would be used for<br>
junctions that actually have names like "Denham Interchange" or<br>
"Dreieck Barnim" ("Freeman Interchange" is one I know of in Ontario).<br>
>From my Canadian point of view these would be better on a<br>
locality-style node in the middle of the junction, or a relation<br>
containing the junction nodes, not tagged on several exit nodes. But<br>
that's not really a thing, so here we are.<br>
<br>
--Jarek<br>
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On Sat, 8 May 2021 at 16:47, James <<a href="mailto:james2432@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">james2432@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> I think we were following this convention:<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://labs.mapbox.com/mapping/mapping-for-navigation/adding-exit-and-destination-signs/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://labs.mapbox.com/mapping/mapping-for-navigation/adding-exit-and-destination-signs/</a><br>
><br>
> On Sat., May 8, 2021, 4:34 p.m. Jherome Miguel, <<a href="mailto:jheromemiguel@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">jheromemiguel@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Hello everyone,<br>
>><br>
>> I'm new to the list, but I'm reviving an older discussion about dealing with freeway/expressway/parkway/autoroute exits in Ontario and Quebec that use the name=* key to represent destination names that could be tagged on the ramp than on the exit. I've been able to mop some of these out in places such as the 412 and the 418, and part of the 407 in the GTA, the 401 around Windsor, Autoroute 5 around Gatineau, and a short segment of the Conestoga Parkway at Kitchener-Waterloo, but there are thousands of these that remain, whether it be on the 400-series highways, the autoroutes of Quebec, or even Toronto's expressways like the Gardiner or the Allen. Some of my changes reverting those addition have been undone by others. Most of these are added by a user named “BlueJaysFan86”, while some around Gatineau, Montreal, and Quebec City are added by a few others.<br>
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