<div dir="auto">I hate to say this but the wiki is not the authority. It is what someone has written in the wiki.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">There have been times when two wiki enteries have contridicted each other and times when a wiki entry does not follow what has been done.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Using the term <span style="font-family:sans-serif">clique doesn't help your case in trying to persuade others. It might even put people's backs up which is not what you are trying to do or at least I assume so.</span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif">Cheerio John</span></div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 4, 2021, 9:59 PM Jherome Miguel, <<a href="mailto:jheromemiguel@gmail.com">jheromemiguel@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">---------- Forwarded message ---------<br>From: <strong class="gmail_sendername" dir="auto">Jherome Miguel</strong> <span dir="auto"><<a href="mailto:jheromemiguel@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jheromemiguel@gmail.com</a>></span><br>Date: Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 7:23 PM<br>Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Fwd: Revisiting exits with “names” in Ontario and Quebec<br>To: talk-ph <<a href="mailto:talk-ph@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">talk-ph@openstreetmap.org</a>><br></div><br><br><div dir="auto" style="border-color:rgb(0,0,0)!important;background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0)!important;color:rgb(0,0,0)!important">The issue with what that clique has been doing with Ontario and Quebec highway exits is not only tagging for the renderer, but also not following best tagging practices followed elsewhere. For exits, most of Canada generally observing the practices documented at<div dir="auto"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Exit_Info" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Exit_Info</a>. Also there is a note about the use of name=* for <span>highway=motorway_junction, which I </span>quote here:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div style="border-color:rgb(0,0,0)!important;background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0)!important;color:rgb(0,0,0)!important" dir="auto"><ul style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 0px 1em;border:0px rgb(32,33,34);font-stretch:inherit;line-height:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;background-image:none;list-style-position:initial;color:rgb(32,33,34)!important;background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0)!important" dir="auto"><li style="padding:0px;border:0px rgb(32,33,34);font-style:inherit;font-variant-caps:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;line-height:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;background-image:none;background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0)!important;color:rgb(32,33,34)!important"><span style="background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);border-color:rgb(32,33,34)"><font style="background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);border-color:rgb(32,33,34);color:rgb(0,0,0)">name=* </font></span><span style="font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Roboto,Lato,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0)">for the name of the junction or interchange. <span style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Roboto,Lato,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-style:italic;font-variant-caps:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;line-height:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;background-image:none">Do not confuse the <b style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Roboto,Lato,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-style:inherit;font-variant-caps:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;line-height:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;background-image:none">name of a junction</b> with the <b style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Roboto,Lato,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-style:inherit;font-variant-caps:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;line-height:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;background-image:none">destination(s) the junction </b>leads to.</span> In most cases worldwide, sign information describes destinations, not the name of the junction or interchange itself. If a signpost or indication displays destinations exclusively, this data belongs to destination=* tags, <b style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Roboto,Lato,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-style:inherit;font-variant-caps:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;line-height:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;background-image:none">not</b> the name=* of the </span><span style="font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Roboto,Lato,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0)"><span style="border-color:rgb(0,0,0);color:rgb(0,0,0)">highway=motorway_junction node</span>.</span></li></ul><div dir="auto"><font style="font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Roboto,Lato,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);color:rgb(32,33,34)"><span style="font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Roboto,Lato,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><br></span></font></div><div dir="auto"><font style="font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Roboto,Lato,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);color:rgb(32,33,34)"><span style="font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Roboto,Lato,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">In this case, the names in the exits are not an innocent mistake, but a problematic tagging practice perpetuated by a small group of mappers. Add to the problem is that name=* is rendered at the main map layer, further encouraging some mappers to tag destinations as “names” just for the render result.</span></font></div><div dir="auto"><font style="font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Roboto,Lato,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);color:rgb(32,33,34)"><span style="font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Roboto,Lato,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><br></span></font></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="border-color:rgb(0,0,0)!important;background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0)!important;color:rgb(0,0,0)!important"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">On Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 6:48 PM john whelan <<a href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jwhelan0112@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div></div><div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">It is normally politeness to ask someone if they are happy if emails sent between two people is to be shared more generally. My comments might have been slightly different in view of the different audience.<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">To recap we have determined that you are not local to Ontario or Quebec. The local mappers who have commented are not in agreement with your thoughts.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">In OSM the authority is the consensus of the local mappers.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">and to recap your problem is?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Thanks John<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 at 20:34, Jherome Miguel <<a href="mailto:jheromemiguel@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jheromemiguel@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="auto">Ngah, should have replied to all. Not just you.</div><div><br></div>
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