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</head><body text="#000000">So far you haven't really given a good case
for the change other than "I think this way." If you think the Ontario
and Quebec mappers are a clique then reread the emails in the list.
It's rare that Pierre and I agree on everything.<br>
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If you have a case then state it but I've seen nothing other than you
think it should be done in a different way.<br>
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I would remind you that in OSM the authority is the local mappers so you
need to convince them with a reasonable arguments and I don't think
your comment that we just need to reeducate people goes along way to
convincing them to be onside with your ideas.<br>
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Bye John<br>
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<span>Jherome Miguel wrote on 7/4/2021 8:46 PM:</span><br>
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<div dir="auto">Just because I’m from another province, you’re just
going to discredit me in favour of a clique within your province who
would just do what they want with the map even if it’s against good
practice. We’re not going far just because an Albertan finds fault with a
tagging scheme a small group is happy with.</div>
<div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On
Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 6:32 PM john whelan <<a
href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true">jwhelan0112@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>But
they are happy with the status quo and that's what counts not what you
think is best.</div></div><div dir="auto"><div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div
dir="auto">John</div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr"
class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 4, 2021, 20:30 Jherome Miguel <<a
href="mailto:jheromemiguel@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">jheromemiguel@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">And what if their tagging
practices are in major conflict with good practice? Mapping for the
renderer in particular. </div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div
dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 5:48 PM john whelan
<<a href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">jwhelan0112@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">By the
way that little group of mappers are local to Ontario and Quebec. I
think you'll find that in OSM what the local mappers want and decide
goes. Living in Alberta doesn't really make you a local mapper.<div
dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Cheerio John</div></div><br><div
class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 4,
2021, 19:37 john whelan <<a href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">jwhelan0112@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">And
your problem is?<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">John</div></div><br><div
class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 4,
2021, 19:09 Jherome Miguel <<a href="mailto:jheromemiguel@gmail.com"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">jheromemiguel@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Every
person do have their own mapping styles as well. Unfortunately, that do
sometime lead to conflicts and edit wars.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div
dir="auto">Back on the issue, this appears to be a reboot of a related
thread from 2018:</div><div dir="auto"><a
href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ca/2018-November/008852.html"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ca/2018-November/008852.html</a>.
Looks like we’re continuously in war with a small camp of mappers who
want to keep the mess they’ve created. It has been planned two times
these “names” should go; one is successful, but has been undone, and the
second appears to have stalled (<span>MapRoulette challenge set up, but
looks like nothing changed for Ontario and Quebec. All other provinces
have been cleaned up except a few legit instances of named
interchanges).</span></div><div dir="auto"><span><br></span></div><div><div
class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 4,
2021 at 4:38 PM John Whelan <<a href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">jwhelan0112@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote
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<div text="#000000">OSM is all about local mappers and North
America does it this way doesn't really mean much.<br>
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Quebec in particular likes to show it's independence. Ottawa maps it's
buildings differently to other locations in Canada. When asked about it
the local mappers simply said they like the way it was done.<br>
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Talk first if you must on talk-ca but I don't see any enthusiasm for
what you are proposing especially if it means reeducating people.<br>
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Cheerio John</div><div text="#000000"><br>
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<span>Jherome Miguel wrote on 7/4/2021 5:42 PM:</span><br>
<blockquote type="cite">we
use throughout North America.</blockquote>
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