<div dir="auto">Well, the availability of motorist services is also something US mappers has been taking in account where to put up a trunk routing, especially where there are alternatives. As in the case of Rouyn-Noranda/Val d'Or/Temiskaming Shores to Alma/Saguenay, I can agree; the routing through boreal forest is not a viable trunk corridor due to its remoteness (the few possible stopovers are with reserves. A highway that does get closed during winter, lacks maintenance or has no services for a significant distance, even if it's in the the fastest or shortest route between two cities as being suggested by a router, is obviously not a good trunk candidate unless there are no other alternatives. I can say highway classification generally benefits the users of the static map, not of GPS routers. How NHS core routes are determined is somehow hazy, but most corridors will have stopovers with a decent number of motorist services.</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 4:44 PM Pierre Béland <<a href="mailto:pierzenh@yahoo.fr">pierzenh@yahoo.fr</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div><div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif"><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif">Ce qui est proposé ici est de modifier la classification pour un meilleur rendu sur la carte à des zooms inférieurs ou pour influencer la priorisation de routes particulières dans les outils de navigation routière. Il est habituellement déconseillé par la communauté OSM d'agir ainsi.<br></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif">Vs route Rouyn-Noranda–Saguenay</span><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif">De Val-D'or - Vers Saint-Felicien, Saguenay et même Tadoussac, les outils de navigation empruntent bien la route du nord. De même, la route du nord est empruntée à partir de Temiskaming Shores, ON.<div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div></div> <div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif"><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=graphhopper_car&route=48.102%2C-77.788%3B48.143%2C-69.717#map=7/48.969/-73.740" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif">https://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=graphhopper_car&route=48.102%2C-77.788%3B48.143%2C-69.717#map=7/48.969/-73.740</a></div><div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif"><div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-style:italic;font-weight:bold;font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,191)"> </span></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-style:italic;font-weight:bold;font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,191)"></span>De Mont-Laurier au sud du Parc de la Vérendry, ou encore<span style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif"> à partir de North-Bay, ON.</span> il y a un basculement vers la route du sud, ce qui fait du sens avec distances - temps plus courts.</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif"><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=fossgis_osrm_car&route=46.552%2C-75.497%3B48.143%2C-69.717#map=7/46.909/-72.609" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif">https://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=fossgis_osrm_car&route=46.552%2C-75.497%3B48.143%2C-69.717#map=7/46.909/-72.609</a></div><div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif">Lorsque nous choisissons un trajet, d'autres facteurs sont à considérer dont le peu de services sur la route du nord et possiblement une chaussée plus abimée avec les nombreux camions lourds qui empruntent de telles routes. Les services routiers en cas d'urgence peuvent aussi être à des centaines de km de distance. <br></div></div></div></div></div><div><div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif"><div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif"><div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><span style="font-style:italic;font-weight:bold;font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,191)"><font style="font-family:garamond,"new york",times,serif;background-color:inherit;color:rgb(0,0,191)" face="garamond, new york, times, serif">Pierre </font><br></span></div></div>
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Le jeudi 10 février 2022, 17 h 08 min 46 s UTC−5, Jherome Miguel <<a href="mailto:jheromemiguel@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">jheromemiguel@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :
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<div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><div id="m_117923020713815833ydp16b77c7cyiv4859112960" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">It's not just about keeping up with changes in the border, but I find there need to a lot more trunk routes so to highlight other important road links between important regional population centres (in here as well as in the US), not just ones defined by a committee of provincial and territorial transportation ministers. Yes, a trunk network based on the NHS core network may be okay and is mostly well-connected so to say the least, and we can leave that as it is, but we should try to highlight other key connections (e.g. Barrie/Toronto/Kitchener-Waterloo/London–Owen Sound, Red Deer–Saskatoon, Medicine Hat-Lloydminster, Rouyn-Noranda–Saguenay without passing through the St. Lawrence valley, North Battleford-Prince Albert, Prince Albert-Yorkton without passing through Saskatoon), and relying solely on a highway being a NHS core route can reveal connectivity gaps, especially when viewing the map at lower zooms. Connectivity is an current issue as with BC 99 (Sea to Sky Highway), which ends at Whistler rather than continuing up to the Cariboo; the BC 99 trunk status being based on where it's an NHS route.</div><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><br clear="none"></div><div id="m_117923020713815833ydp16b77c7cyiv4859112960yqtfd08209" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 10:22 AM Iain Ingram <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:iain@monkeyface.ca" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">iain@monkeyface.ca</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">I certainly wouldn’t say this mail list doesn’t have mappers from the west on it. I am also in Alberta. I would have to agree with Martin. What is broken and what is the benefit of this fix? I am not suggesting it is not valid but I am curious what brought this up as a need.</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Iain </div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><br clear="none"><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">On Feb 10, 2022, at 07:42, Martin Chalifoux via Talk-ca <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:talk-ca@openstreetmap.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">talk-ca@openstreetmap.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">On this statement below, I will ask again, what is it that is broken ? What is it that needs fixing ? It may be obvious to you that it needs fixing but for many experienced mappers the trunk tag is just fine and there is nothing wrong with it. So in a sentence or two, not a one pager, can you explain what is it that needs fixing. That they have done something in the USA is not the answer. Thank you.</div></blockquote></div></div><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><br clear="none"><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><br clear="none"><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">On Feb 10, 2022, at 09:21, Jherome Miguel <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:jheromemiguel@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">jheromemiguel@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br clear="none"><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><div style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-line:none;text-decoration-style:solid;text-decoration-color:currentcolor"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" lang="EN-CA">On the trunk==expressway thing, I’ll still be willing on dealing with those. People south of the border are already dealing with it, and why not us which still do have a bunch?<u style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"></u><u style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"></u></span></div><br clear="none"></div></blockquote></div><br clear="none"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">_______________________________________________</span><br clear="none"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Talk-ca mailing list</span><br clear="none"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><a shape="rect" href="mailto:Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org</a></span><br clear="none"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><a shape="rect" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca</a></span><br clear="none"></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div>
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