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<p>Thanks for the replies.</p>
<p>I'll raise this issue with the mapper concerned and suggest that
they discuss in more detail here.</p>
<p>Best Regards,</p>
<p>Andy<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 16/04/2022 03:11, john whelan wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">I seem to recall it took five years after I
identified the licensing issue with a Treasury Board before they
sorted out the licence and another two years before we managed
to get the City of Ottawa to adopt the new license. Stats came
along part way through and were helpful in bringing it all
together. It also involved the Open Data group at Carleton
University who identified data sets that could be used amongest
other things.
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<div dir="auto">Cheerio John</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Apr 15, 2022, 9:51 PM
john whelan, <<a href="mailto:jwhelan0112@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">jwhelan0112@gmail.com</a>>
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<div dir="auto">I worked with stats Canada and the open data
group within Federal government and with the city of Ottawa.
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<div dir="auto">The project was importing buildings into
OSM, basically we had the Federal Government's licence
together with the City of Ottawa's licence approved by the
legal working group. This was after both the Federal
government and the city of Ottawa changed their licence to
the new present one after it had been identified that both
old licences were not suitable for import.</div>
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<div dir="auto">The City of Ottawa's licence is virtually
the same as the Federal government one other than a few
minor differences since one was a municipality and one
Federal government.</div>
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<div dir="auto">The people I worked with at Stats were
releasing data through the Federal government open data
portal which has the full Federal government open data
licence. They may have released data through another
portal with a different licence but anything released
through the central open data portal is correctly
licenced. I understand CANVEC for example is now covered
by this license.</div>
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<div dir="auto">It should be noted that a lot of effort went
into ensuring the licences were acceptable. </div>
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<div dir="auto">I understand that Toronto's licence was
submitted but I haven't followed who submitted it or how
it got on.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Cheerio John</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Apr 15, 2022,
21:27 Jarek Piórkowski <<a
href="mailto:jarek@piorkowski.ca" target="_blank"
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wrote:<br>
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Andy,<br>
<br>
Regarding the licences themselves:<br>
<br>
Recent Statistics Canada data appears to be released under
a<br>
"Statistics Canada Open Licence" which can be found at<br>
<a href="https://www.statcan.gc.ca/en/reference/licence"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.statcan.gc.ca/en/reference/licence</a>.
As far as I know this<br>
has not been approved for importing to OSM. I do not know
whether the<br>
editor's activities would be considered an "import" or if
the licence<br>
is compatible for non-import use. The OSM wiki at<br>
<a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada#Importing_government_data"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada#Importing_government_data</a><br>
does say "Statistics Canada data is used to import street
names where<br>
they are missing from the other data sets. It is advised
to not copy<br>
the geometry; however, you can use the street names
database as a<br>
reference. " - I did not go through the page history to
find when and<br>
by whom this was added.<br>
<br>
The "Open Government Licence – Winnipeg" is, to my
understanding, not<br>
a suitable OSM import data license. This is a
long-standing problem<br>
with Canadian open data where licences with the government
unit's name<br>
in their name (here "Winnipeg") are considered by OSM a
different<br>
licence from the Open Government Licence even if all the
words other<br>
than the city name are the same. As far as I know only the
Ottawa<br>
community has gone through the (rather slow) process of
getting<br>
OGL-Ottawa approved as an OSM import licence. Same
question about<br>
whether the edits constitute an "import" applies.<br>
<br>
--Jarek<br>
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On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 at 16:53, Andy Townsend <<a
href="mailto:ajt1047@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer
noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">ajt1047@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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> Hello talk-ca people,<br>
><br>
> Andy from the Data Working Group here.<br>
><br>
> A new prolific mapper has recently popped up, adding
road names in<br>
> Canada and elsewhere. It has been suggested to the
DWG that many of the<br>
> names used were just copied from sources that aren't
licence-compatible<br>
> with OSM, such as Google Maps. Some responses to
questions about map<br>
> sources have been somewhat evasive (see e.g.<br>
> <a
href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/119735027"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/119735027</a>
) but they now claim<br>
> to be using sources such as:<br>
><br>
> "City of Winnipeg Open Data Portal - Contains
information licensed under<br>
> the Open Government Licence – Winnipeg."<br>
><br>
> <a
href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/734204653"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/734204653</a><br>
><br>
> and<br>
><br>
> "Statistics Canada Road Network File (RNF)"<br>
><br>
> <a
href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/507685150"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/507685150</a><br>
><br>
> (see <a
href="https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/119761959"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/119761959</a>
for more)<br>
><br>
> Do these sources check out as reasonable, and
licence-compatible with<br>
> OSM? Also (and actually more important) are the
latest edits by this<br>
> user backed up by those sources?<br>
><br>
> Normally of course OSM mappers have considerable
freedom to map as they<br>
> wish - we take a lot on trust, and don't check that
every edit that was<br>
> allegedly derived from a compatible imagery source
actually was and<br>
> wasn't from a non-compatible source instead.
Unfortunately, in the case<br>
> of this mapper (see previous interactions at e.g.<br>
> <a
href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/PopeyePopcord/blocks"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/PopeyePopcord/blocks</a>
and<br>
> <a
href="https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/119735027"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/119735027</a>
) I think we need to have<br>
> a soupçon of skepticism.<br>
><br>
> Best Regards,<br>
><br>
> Andy<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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