<!DOCTYPE html><html><head><title></title><style type="text/css">p.MsoNormal,p.MsoNoSpacing{margin:0}</style></head><body><div>On Sun, Oct 16, 2022, at 15:35, wolfy1339 via Talk-ca wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="qt" style=""><div>Hello all,<br></div><div><br></div><div>It has come up in the OSM Discord that the current tagging for the <br></div><div>community mailboxes and the relay boxes are outdated.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This is a rather strong opening considering that as far as I know the tags haven't been declared outdated by any vote or consensus. Please include references to their outdatedness, or consider less prescriptive wording.<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="qt" style=""><div>The `amenity=relay_box` tag is discouraged and instead the tags <br></div><div>`man_made=street_cabinet` + `street_cabinet=postal_service` be used.<br></div><div>The `amenity=relay_box` is only tagged 308 times worldwide, of which <br></div><div>most are tagged in Canda, compared to 2 309 worldwide.<br></div><div>Therefore I propose to update the tagging guidelines to reflect the <br></div><div>worldwide established tag.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>(Note to other people on mailing list: the 2309 worldwide refers to number of uses of street_cabinet=postal_service)<br></div><div><br></div><div>Who is amenity=relay_box discouraged by?<br></div><div><br></div><div>I would dispute that street_cabinet=postal_service is used worldwide, because it appears to be largely used in Europe and in one neighbourhood in Montreal. Personally I'm not really a fan of replacing a common name "relay box" with the descriptive "a box on the street that is used by the post" - it's a little bit like replacing amenity=restaurant with amenity=food_service + food_service=table_service. But on the whole I could live with the change.<br></div><div><br></div><div>As far as I know, a substantial amount of amenity=relay_box were added by <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/andrewpmk">https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/andrewpmk</a>. I don't believe they are active on this mailing list at the moment so you probably want to send them a message on openstreetmap.org to get their input. Please post back here if you hear back so we have a record.<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="qt" style=""><div>The community mailboxes are currently tagged as `amenity=post_box`, <br></div><div>which according to the wiki and users of the OSM Discord, is for <br></div><div>outbound mail only.<br></div><div>Another reason given is that applications will not understand. It has <br></div><div>also been disputed by a decade old question on the OSM Help forums [1]<br></div><div>Since community mailboxes handle incoming mail as the prominent <br></div><div>function, the more appropriate tag would be `amenity=letter_box`. <br></div><div>However, there currently isn't an equivalent tag for <br></div><div>`post_box:type=community`.<br></div><div>It has been recommended to tag these as `amenity=letter_box` + <br></div><div>`post_box=yes`<br></div><div><br></div><div>What are your thoughts on this?<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I see the argument that amenity=post_box could be seen as almost a trolltag for a CMB since its most prominent function is receiving mail, not sending mail.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Some thoughts and questions:<br></div><div>- What tag would you use to indicate that the letter is a community letter box, rather than a mailbox for one house/address?<br></div><div>- post_box:type=community has almost 4000 uses, while amenity=letter_box has about 12700 uses. This means that with the suggested change, Canadian community mailboxes would become a quarter of all worldwide uses of amenity=letter_box. At this scale, you might want to consult users of amenity=letter_box as well - do they feel that a CMB is also a "letter box"?<br></div><div>- It might also be good to consider how tagging of community mailboxes intersects with the functionally similar amenity=parcel_locker.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,<br></div><div>--Jarek<br></div><div><br></div></body></html>