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p.MsoNormal,p.MsoNoSpacing{margin:0}</style></head><body><div>On Sun, Dec 11, 2022, at 02:27, Minh Nguyen wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="qt" style=""><div>Vào lúc 21:09 2022-12-10, Michael Stark đã viết:<br></div><div>> Calgary (and other parts of Alberta) are definitely strange in terms of <br></div><div>> the quadrant suffixes. When written, the names are always abbreviated. <br></div><div>> But when spoken, the names are always spoken unabbreviated.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Sorry to pile on again from south of the border, but I just wanted to <br></div><div>make sure that the community in Alberta is aware that abbreviations -- <br></div><div>especially without periods -- are much less likely to be processed <br></div><div>correctly by text-to-speech engines.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Almost every navigation application uses a general-purpose TTS engine <br></div><div>that wasn't designed specifically for navigation, such as the one that <br></div><div>comes with your phone. Some premium TTS engines have extended the SSML <br></div><div>standard to avoid ambiguity when interpreting things like street names. <br></div><div>But these options are much more limited than what mappers may be hoping <br></div><div>for when they choose to abbreviate.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>If local community agrees that spelling "NW" is not an abbreviation, it should stay IMHO.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Here are s<span style="color:var(--ui-page-color-fg);">ome example street names that are not pronounced the way they're written in OSM:</span><br></div><div><span style="color:var(--ui-page-color-fg);">- St John's Wood Road, St Pancras Way (London); </span>St. Clair Avenue West (Ontario - disclaimer: guidance to <span style="color:var(--ui-page-color-fg);"></span>prefer this proper spelling was spearheaded by me)<br></div><div><span style="color:var(--ui-page-color-fg);">- Queen Elizabeth II Highway, </span>King George III Lane<br></div><div><br></div><div>Now you can make the case that a text-to-speech engine likely knows how "St. John's" and "Elizabeth II" are pronounced, but these are special cases coded into the engine. So that limits the argument to "it's a special case that happens to likely not be coded into a TTS engine" and that's getting pretty close to tagging for the renderer IMHO.<br></div><div><br></div><div>---<br></div><div><br></div><div>Just to connect threads, there's also this discussion about "N" or "North" in Regina: <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/2484432#map=15/50.4744/-104.6083&layers=N">https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/2484432</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>--Jarek<br></div><div><br></div></body></html>