<html><head></head><body><div class="ydpb47cf860yahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">On peut bien sûr discuter jusqu'à la fin des temps et chacun répéter ses préférences. Comme il a déjà été dit il existe des répertoires officiels où les noms sont sans abbréviation. Par contre Postes Canada préfère des données plus courtes. Même motif pour les affiches. Par contre les collaborateurs OSM ont souvent discuté de la question et le concensus en général est d'écrire les noms sans abbréviation. Les divers outils et cartes pourront ensuite les abbréger.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Je vois pour Calgary que les quadrants cardinaux SE SW NE NW permettent de repérer dans quel secteur de la ville une rue est localisée.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Permettez-moi de revenir sur le sujet des répertoires de données officielles au Canada. J'ai pris le temps de télécharger les données pour l'Alberta et j'y constate que les noms sont écrits sans abbréviation ie. South-East, South-West et non SE, SW.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">(voir liens NRN plus bas).</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Les données officielles sont collectées par les provinces et territoires. Le gouvernement fédéral y ajoute de données fédérales telles que Pacs nationaux. <br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">La <span>Commission de toponymie du Canada - <span>Geographical Names Board of Canada</span> gère ces données. Cette Commission comprend des représentants des </span>provinces et territoires et ministères fédéraux.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><a href="https://www.rncan.gc.ca/sciences-de-la-terre/geographie/commission-de-toponymie-du-canada/11085" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.rncan.gc.ca/sciences-de-la-terre/geographie/commission-de-toponymie-du-canada/11085</a><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><a href="https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/earth-sciences/geography/geographical-names-board-canada/11084" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/earth-sciences/geography/geographical-names-board-canada/11084</a><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"> </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">De là des répertoires sont disponibles notamment sur le site des données ouvertes du Canada.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Voici deux grands répertoires de données vectorielles qui nous intéressent</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">1. Noms de lieux - <span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;">Toponymes du Canada </span></span> - <span>Geographical names in Canada</span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">FR <a href="https://www.rncan.gc.ca/cartes-outils-et-publications/cartes/toponymes-canada/10804" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.rncan.gc.ca/cartes-outils-et-publications/cartes/toponymes-canada/10804</a></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">EN <a href="https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/maps-tools-and-publications/maps/geographical-names-canada/10786" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/maps-tools-and-publications/maps/geographical-names-canada/10786</a></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">2. <span>Réseau routier national - <span>National Road Network (NRN)</span></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">FR <a href="https://www.statcan.gc.ca/fr/consultation/2019/rrn" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.statcan.gc.ca/fr/consultation/2019/rrn</a></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">EN <a href="https://www.statcan.gc.ca/en/consultation/2019/nrn" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.statcan.gc.ca/en/consultation/2019/nrn</a></div><div class="ydpb47cf860signature"><span style="font-style:italic;color:rgb(0, 0, 191);font-weight:bold;"><br></span></div><div class="ydpb47cf860signature" dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span style="font-style:italic;color:rgb(0, 0, 191);font-weight:bold;">Bonne lecture, bonne poutine</span></div><div class="ydpb47cf860signature" dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span style="font-style:italic;color:rgb(0, 0, 191);font-weight:bold;"> <br><font face="garamond, new york, times, serif" style="background-color: inherit;">Pierre </font><br></span></div></div>
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Le mardi 13 décembre 2022 à 13 h 17 min 46 s UTC−5, Minh Nguyen <minh@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us> a écrit :
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<div><div dir="ltr">Vào lúc 08:18 2022-12-13, john whelan đã viết:<br clear="none">> The problem comes with searching for an address, do you enter NW or <br clear="none">> North West? Which does the search engine understand?<br clear="none"><br clear="none">The exact spelling is less of an issue for geocoders than for other <br clear="none">kinds of software. Any quarter-decent geocoder would perform lots of <br clear="none">redundant indexing, case folding, diacritic folding, word stemming, and <br clear="none">fuzzy matching to maximize the number of results for any given query. If <br clear="none">a geocoder happens to index an overexpanded street name, the worst that <br clear="none">could happen is an extra irrelevant result for some queries.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Nominatim has implemented a large number of abbreviations in English, <br clear="none">including some specific to Canada that would help in the Prairies, such <br clear="none">as "Rg" and "Subdiv". [1] Even the ancient Namefinder geocoder, which <br clear="none">predated Nominatim on osm.org, supported finding "north" when entering <br clear="none">"N". [2]<br clear="none"><br clear="none">That said, spelled-out words can help improve the ranking quality in <br clear="none">several ways. A geocoder might recognize "North" as a directional <br clear="none">suffix; the user could optionally include it in their query for best <br clear="none">results but wouldn't be required to. More predictability in OSM means <br clear="none">more opportunities for the geocoder to associate addresses with streets, <br clear="none">which is important for sending navigation applications to the front door <br clear="none">of a destination instead of around back.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">> If we are dealing with speech software perhaps the best way is a name:speech tag or even multiple tags with the different possibilities.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">name:pronunciation=* exists to clarify names that, through no fault of <br clear="none">the TTS engine, would be pronounced incorrectly without that additional <br clear="none">context. For example, a "Reading Street" could sound like either <br clear="none">"reeding" or "redding". But in order to apply a name:pronunciation=* <br clear="none">tag, you need to know the International Phonetic Alphabet or look up the <br clear="none">pronunciation of each word in a dictionary.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Maybe folks would be OK with using it sparingly for some abbreviation <br clear="none">lookalikes like "Avenue S" (between Avenues R and T) or "Ave Maria <br clear="none">Drive", but I can't imagine blanketing most of Alberta in IPA and <br clear="none">expecting mappers to maintain that. At least not before tagging <br clear="none">"Lieutenant Street" to ensure it gets pronounced /luˈtɛnənt/ in the U.S. <br clear="none">but /lɛfˈtɛnənt/ in Canada. ;-)<br clear="none"><br clear="none">[1] <br clear="none"><<a shape="rect" href="https://github.com/osm-search/Nominatim/blob/4c52777ef03738803845f9ee58d269d93bbb9c3d/settings/icu-rules/variants-en.yaml" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://github.com/osm-search/Nominatim/blob/4c52777ef03738803845f9ee58d269d93bbb9c3d/settings/icu-rules/variants-en.yaml</a>><br clear="none">[2] <<a shape="rect" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Name_finder:Abbreviations#English" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Name_finder:Abbreviations#English</a>><br clear="none"><br clear="none">-- <br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="mailto:minh@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">minh@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us</a><div class="ydpe77eca65yqt9335272701" id="ydpe77eca65yqtfd44762"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Talk-ca mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="mailto:Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca</a><br clear="none"></div></div></div>
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