<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;"><span style="font-family: -webkit-standard; font-size: medium;">OSM tags and street signage usually don’ t match. Many town use Rd and Blvd and such on their signage. Yet this is not what we put in OSM for many good reasons. You add nothing and repeat old arguments that I don’t buy into.</span><div><br></div><div>Here is a small extract from the database you link to. Street name: 24, Street type: ST, Street Quad: SE</div><div>You agree that the ST should be Steet in OSM yet you get hung up on not using Southeast for SE. Our policy is to avoid abbreviations and there is no reason to treat TYPE and QUAD differently, they are both a characterization fo the street name, which is “24”</div><div><br></div><div>Could it be that this issue keeps coming back it because some people insist on doing it wrong, so it keeps coming back because it is never fixed.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers.</div><div><br></div><div><div class="table-head" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; position: relative; white-space: nowrap; height: 2rem; min-width: 100%; overflow: visible; padding-right: 100px; padding-left: 1px; background-color: rgb(104, 176, 204); color: rgb(240, 237, 238); font-family: Roboto, sans-serif; font-size: 13.6px;"><div ng-repeat="header in headers" class="th ng-scope sortable" data-index="0" data-column-id="address" ng-click="sortOnColumn($event, header.columnId)" ng-class="{active: header.active, sortable: header.sortable}" ng-style="{width: header.width+'px'}" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 2rem; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: hidden; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 13px 0px 10px; border-right-width: 1px; margin-right: -2px; position: relative; cursor: pointer; width: 200px;"><div class="content" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px -10px; padding: inherit;"><span class="ng-binding" style="box-sizing: border-box;">ADDRESS</span></div><span class="resize" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; width: 5px; position: absolute; right: 0px; cursor: col-resize; z-index: 1; height: 434px; top: 0px;"></span></div><div ng-repeat="header in headers" class="th ng-scope sortable" data-index="1" data-column-id="street_name" ng-click="sortOnColumn($event, header.columnId)" ng-class="{active: header.active, sortable: header.sortable}" ng-style="{width: header.width+'px'}" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 2rem; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: hidden; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 13px 0px 10px; border-right-width: 1px; margin-right: -2px; position: relative; cursor: pointer; width: 141px;"><div class="content" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px -10px; padding: inherit;"><span class="caret ng-scope sortUp" aria-label="sort" ng-class="{sortUp: header.sortUp}" ng-if="header.sortable" style="box-sizing: border-box; float: right; margin-left: 5px; transform: scaleY(0.5); color: rgba(240, 237, 238, 0.5);"></span><span class="ng-binding" style="box-sizing: border-box;">STREET_NAME</span></div><span class="resize" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; width: 5px; position: absolute; right: 0px; cursor: col-resize; z-index: 1; height: 434px; top: 0px;"></span></div><div ng-repeat="header in headers" class="th ng-scope sortable" data-index="2" data-column-id="street_type" ng-click="sortOnColumn($event, header.columnId)" ng-class="{active: header.active, sortable: header.sortable}" ng-style="{width: header.width+'px'}" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 2rem; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: hidden; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 13px 0px 10px; border-right-width: 1px; margin-right: -2px; position: relative; cursor: pointer; width: 135px;"><div class="content" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px -10px; padding: inherit;"><span class="caret ng-scope sortUp" aria-label="sort" ng-class="{sortUp: header.sortUp}" ng-if="header.sortable" style="box-sizing: border-box; float: right; margin-left: 5px; transform: scaleY(0.5); color: rgba(240, 237, 238, 0.5);"></span><span class="ng-binding" style="box-sizing: border-box;">STREET_TYPE</span></div><span class="resize" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; width: 5px; position: absolute; right: 0px; cursor: col-resize; z-index: 1; height: 434px; top: 0px;"></span></div><div ng-repeat="header in headers" class="th ng-scope sortable" data-index="3" data-column-id="street_quad" ng-click="sortOnColumn($event, header.columnId)" ng-class="{active: header.active, sortable: header.sortable}" ng-style="{width: header.width+'px'}" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 2rem; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: hidden; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 13px 0px 10px; border-right-width: 1px; margin-right: -2px; position: relative; cursor: pointer; width: 138px;"><div class="content" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px -10px; padding: inherit;"><span class="caret ng-scope sortUp" aria-label="sort" ng-class="{sortUp: header.sortUp}" ng-if="header.sortable" style="box-sizing: border-box; float: right; margin-left: 5px; transform: scaleY(0.5); color: rgba(240, 237, 238, 0.5);"></span><span class="ng-binding" style="box-sizing: border-box;">STREET_QUAD</span></div><span class="resize" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; width: 5px; position: absolute; right: 0px; cursor: col-resize; z-index: 1; height: 434px; top: 0px;"></span></div><div ng-repeat="header in headers" class="th ng-scope active sortable" data-index="4" data-column-id="house_number" ng-click="sortOnColumn($event, header.columnId)" ng-class="{active: header.active, sortable: header.sortable}" ng-style="{width: header.width+'px'}" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 2rem; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: hidden; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 13px 0px 10px; border-right-width: 1px; margin-right: -2px; position: relative; cursor: pointer; width: 153px;"><div class="content" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px -10px; padding: inherit;"><span class="caret ng-scope" aria-label="sort" ng-class="{sortUp: header.sortUp}" ng-if="header.sortable" style="box-sizing: border-box; float: right; margin-left: 5px; transform: scaleY(0.5);"></span><span class="ng-binding" style="box-sizing: border-box;">HOUSE_NUMBER</span></div><span class="resize" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; width: 5px; position: absolute; right: 0px; cursor: col-resize; z-index: 1; height: 434px; top: 0px;"></span></div><div ng-repeat="header in headers" class="th ng-scope sortable" data-index="5" data-column-id="house_alpha" ng-click="sortOnColumn($event, header.columnId)" ng-class="{active: header.active, sortable: header.sortable}" ng-style="{width: header.width+'px'}" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 2rem; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: hidden; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 13px 0px 10px; border-right-width: 1px; margin-right: -2px; position: relative; cursor: pointer; width: 142px;"><div class="content" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px -10px; padding: inherit;"><span class="caret ng-scope sortUp" aria-label="sort" ng-class="{sortUp: header.sortUp}" ng-if="header.sortable" style="box-sizing: border-box; float: right; margin-left: 5px; transform: scaleY(0.5); color: rgba(240, 237, 238, 0.5);"></span><span class="ng-binding" style="box-sizing: border-box;">HOUSE_ALPHA</span></div><span class="resize" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; width: 5px; position: absolute; right: 0px; cursor: col-resize; z-index: 1; height: 434px; top: 0px;"></span></div><div ng-repeat="header in headers" class="th ng-scope sortable" data-index="6" data-column-id="address_type" ng-click="sortOnColumn($event, header.columnId)" ng-class="{active: header.active, sortable: header.sortable}" ng-style="{width: header.width+'px'}" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 2rem; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: hidden; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 13px 0px 10px; border-right-width: 1px; margin-right: -2px; position: relative; cursor: pointer; width: 146px;"><div class="content" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px -10px; padding: inherit;"><span class="caret ng-scope sortUp" aria-label="sort" ng-class="{sortUp: header.sortUp}" ng-if="header.sortable" style="box-sizing: border-box; float: right; margin-left: 5px; transform: scaleY(0.5); color: rgba(240, 237, 238, 0.5);"></span><span class="ng-binding" style="box-sizing: border-box;">ADDRESS_TYPE</span></div><span class="resize" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; width: 5px; position: absolute; right: 0px; cursor: col-resize; z-index: 1; height: 434px; top: 0px;"></span></div><div ng-repeat="header in headers" class="th ng-scope sortable" data-index="7" data-column-id="longitude" ng-click="sortOnColumn($event, header.columnId)" ng-class="{active: header.active, sortable: header.sortable}" ng-style="{width: header.width+'px'}" style="box-sizing: border-box; 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line-height: 2rem; height: 2rem; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: hidden; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 13px 0px 10px; border-right-width: 1px; margin-right: -2px; position: relative; width: 300px;"><div class="content" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px -10px; padding: inherit;"><span class="ng-binding" style="box-sizing: border-box;">location</span></div><span class="resize" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; width: 5px; position: absolute; right: 0px; cursor: col-resize; z-index: 1; height: 434px; top: 0px;"></span></div><div ng-repeat="header in headers" class="th ng-scope" data-index="10" data-column-id="point" ng-click="sortOnColumn($event, header.columnId)" ng-class="{active: header.active, sortable: header.sortable}" ng-style="{width: header.width+'px'}" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 2rem; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: hidden; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 13px 0px 10px; border-right-width: 1px; margin-right: -2px; position: relative; width: 300px;"><div class="content" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px -10px; padding: inherit;"><span class="ng-binding" style="box-sizing: border-box;">POINT</span></div><span class="resize" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; width: 5px; position: absolute; right: 0px; cursor: col-resize; z-index: 1; height: 434px; top: 0px;"></span></div></div><span style="caret-color: rgb(143, 143, 143); color: rgb(143, 143, 143); font-family: Roboto, sans-serif; font-size: 13.6px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"></span><div class="table-body" style="box-sizing: border-box; position: relative; overflow: auto; border: 1px solid rgb(240, 238, 239); border-bottom-right-radius: 4px; border-bottom-left-radius: 4px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); caret-color: rgb(143, 143, 143); color: rgb(143, 143, 143); font-family: Roboto, sans-serif; font-size: 13.6px; height: 372px;"><div class="table-expander" style="box-sizing: border-box; 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cursor: col-resize; z-index: 1; height: 9600px;"></span></div><div class="cell" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 9600px; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: visible; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 10px; border: none; position: relative; margin-right: 1px; width: 135px;"><span class="resize" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; width: 5px; position: absolute; right: -3px; cursor: col-resize; z-index: 1; height: 9600px;"></span></div><div class="cell" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 9600px; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: visible; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 10px; border: none; position: relative; margin-right: 1px; width: 138px;"><span class="resize" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; width: 5px; position: absolute; right: -3px; cursor: col-resize; z-index: 1; height: 9600px;"></span></div><div class="cell" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 9600px; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: visible; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 10px; border: none; position: relative; margin-right: 1px; width: 153px;"><span class="resize" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; width: 5px; position: absolute; right: -3px; cursor: col-resize; z-index: 1; height: 9600px;"></span></div><div class="cell" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 9600px; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: visible; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 10px; border: none; position: relative; margin-right: 1px; width: 142px;"><span class="resize" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; width: 5px; position: absolute; right: -3px; cursor: col-resize; z-index: 1; height: 9600px;"></span></div><div class="cell" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 9600px; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: visible; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 10px; border: none; position: relative; margin-right: 1px; width: 146px;"><span class="resize" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; width: 5px; position: absolute; right: -3px; cursor: col-resize; z-index: 1; height: 9600px;"></span></div><div class="cell" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 9600px; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: visible; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 10px; border: none; position: relative; margin-right: 1px; width: 163px;"><span class="resize" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; width: 5px; position: absolute; right: -3px; cursor: col-resize; z-index: 1; height: 9600px;"></span></div><div class="cell" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 9600px; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: visible; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 10px; border: none; position: relative; margin-right: 1px; width: 159px;"><span class="resize" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; width: 5px; position: absolute; right: -3px; cursor: col-resize; z-index: 1; height: 9600px;"></span></div><div class="cell" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 9600px; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: visible; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 10px; border: none; position: relative; margin-right: 1px; width: 300px;"><span class="resize" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; width: 5px; position: absolute; right: -3px; cursor: col-resize; z-index: 1; height: 9600px;"></span></div><div class="cell" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 9600px; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: visible; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 10px; border: none; position: relative; margin-right: 1px; width: 300px;"><span class="resize" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; width: 5px; position: absolute; right: -3px; cursor: col-resize; z-index: 1; height: 9600px;"></span></div></div><div class="row-block" data-block-id="0" style="box-sizing: border-box; position: absolute; min-width: 100%; top: 0px;"><div class="table-row" style="box-sizing: border-box; white-space: nowrap;"><div class="cell text" data-index="0" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 2rem; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: hidden; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 10px; border-right-width: 1px; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb(240, 238, 239); width: 200px;"><div class="cell-content" style="box-sizing: border-box;">9895 24 ST SE</div></div><div class="cell text" data-index="1" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 2rem; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: hidden; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 10px; border-right-width: 1px; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb(240, 238, 239); width: 141px;"><div class="cell-content" style="box-sizing: border-box;">24</div></div><div class="cell text" data-index="2" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 2rem; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: hidden; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 10px; border-right-width: 1px; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb(240, 238, 239); width: 135px;"><div class="cell-content" style="box-sizing: border-box;">ST</div></div><div class="cell text" data-index="3" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 2rem; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: hidden; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 10px; border-right-width: 1px; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb(240, 238, 239); width: 138px;"><div class="cell-content" style="box-sizing: border-box;">SE</div></div><div class="cell number" data-index="4" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 2rem; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: hidden; text-overflow: ellipsis; text-align: right; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 10px; border-right-width: 1px; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb(240, 238, 239); width: 153px;"><div class="cell-content" style="box-sizing: border-box;">9895</div></div><div class="cell text" data-index="5" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 2rem; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: hidden; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 10px; border-right-width: 1px; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb(240, 238, 239); width: 142px;"><div class="cell-content" style="box-sizing: border-box;"></div></div><div class="cell text" data-index="6" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 2rem; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: hidden; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 10px; border-right-width: 1px; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb(240, 238, 239); width: 146px;"></div></div></div></div></div></div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Dec 15, 2022, at 6:12 PM, Ian Bruseker <ian.bruseker@gmail.com> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">This is kinda interesting, seeing all you people have a big long discussion about how to map where I live. If you want me to go out my door and take a picture of a street sign, I'd be happy to. Street signs have NW, NE, whatever on them, not the whole word, if they have that at all. Small suburban named roads don't generally seem to, I would think because once you got that deep into a neighbourhood, you already know you're in a given quadrant so no point wasting ink to keep telling you that on the sign. Someone earlier said something along the lines of "according to a friend of a friend who lives in Calgary..." Well, I do live here. Ask your questions about what this city does.<div><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></body></html>