<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Went right on the attack there, didn't ya?  Sorry I contribute nothing.  But don't presume to know what I think...</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">"You agree that the ST should be Steet in OSM". I in fact made no such statement.  Didn't say a thing about how street types should be stored in the database.  I said "I'm not saying it's the right way to do it" in the context of how the two letter quadrant is in that database.  I'm actually agreeing with you, dude.  As is the classic debate, this is a renderer problem, so if you want anyone to actually use this thing, then if it all gets changed to full word in the database, the renderer better show it abbreviated, or no one in Calgary would use it.  That's my "I'm a local" opinion.  Go ahead, make your perfect database of perfect data all you want, but it'll be a tree falling in the forest for all I care if it's not actually useful.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div>Ian</div><div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 15 Dec 2022 at 16:44, Martin Chalifoux <<a href="mailto:martin.chalifoux@icloud.com">martin.chalifoux@icloud.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;font-size:medium">OSM tags and street signage usually don’ t match. Many town use Rd and Blvd and such on their signage. Yet this is not what we put in OSM for many good reasons. You add nothing and repeat old arguments that I don’t buy into.</span><div><br></div><div>Here is a small extract from the database you link to. Street name: 24, Street type: ST, Street Quad: SE</div><div>You agree that the ST should be Steet in OSM yet you get hung up on not using Southeast for SE. Our policy is to avoid abbreviations and there is no reason to treat TYPE and QUAD differently, they are both a characterization fo the street name, which is “24”</div><div><br></div><div>Could it be that this issue keeps coming back it because some people insist on doing it wrong, so it keeps coming back because it is never fixed.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers.</div><div><br></div><div><div style="box-sizing:border-box;display:inline-block;white-space:nowrap;height:2rem;min-width:100%;overflow:visible;padding-right:100px;padding-left:1px;background-color:rgb(104,176,204);color:rgb(240,237,238);font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:13.6px"><div style="box-sizing:border-box;line-height:2rem;height:2rem;font-size:0.85rem;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;vertical-align:top;display:inline-block;padding:0px 13px 0px 10px;border-right-width:1px;width:200px"><div style="box-sizing:border-box;padding:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">ADDRESS</span></div><span style="box-sizing:border-box;display:inline-block;width:5px;height:434px"></span></div><div style="box-sizing:border-box;line-height:2rem;height:2rem;font-size:0.85rem;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;vertical-align:top;display:inline-block;padding:0px 13px 0px 10px;border-right-width:1px;width:141px"><div style="box-sizing:border-box;padding:inherit"><span aria-label="sort" style="box-sizing:border-box;float:right;margin-left:5px;color:rgba(240,237,238,0.5)"></span><span style="box-sizing:border-box">STREET_NAME</span></div><span style="box-sizing:border-box;display:inline-block;width:5px;height:434px"></span></div><div style="box-sizing:border-box;line-height:2rem;height:2rem;font-size:0.85rem;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;vertical-align:top;display:inline-block;padding:0px 13px 0px 10px;border-right-width:1px;width:135px"><div style="box-sizing:border-box;padding:inherit"><span aria-label="sort" style="box-sizing:border-box;float:right;margin-left:5px;color:rgba(240,237,238,0.5)"></span><span style="box-sizing:border-box">STREET_TYPE</span></div><span style="box-sizing:border-box;display:inline-block;width:5px;height:434px"></span></div><div style="box-sizing:border-box;line-height:2rem;height:2rem;font-size:0.85rem;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;vertical-align:top;display:inline-block;padding:0px 13px 0px 10px;border-right-width:1px;width:138px"><div style="box-sizing:border-box;padding:inherit"><span aria-label="sort" style="box-sizing:border-box;float:right;margin-left:5px;color:rgba(240,237,238,0.5)"></span><span style="box-sizing:border-box">STREET_QUAD</span></div><span style="box-sizing:border-box;display:inline-block;width:5px;height:434px"></span></div><div style="box-sizing:border-box;line-height:2rem;height:2rem;font-size:0.85rem;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;vertical-align:top;display:inline-block;padding:0px 13px 0px 10px;border-right-width:1px;width:153px"><div style="box-sizing:border-box;padding:inherit"><span aria-label="sort" style="box-sizing:border-box;float:right;margin-left:5px"></span><span style="box-sizing:border-box">HOUSE_NUMBER</span></div><span style="box-sizing:border-box;display:inline-block;width:5px;height:434px"></span></div><div style="box-sizing:border-box;line-height:2rem;height:2rem;font-size:0.85rem;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;vertical-align:top;display:inline-block;padding:0px 13px 0px 10px;border-right-width:1px;width:142px"><div style="box-sizing:border-box;padding:inherit"><span aria-label="sort" style="box-sizing:border-box;float:right;margin-left:5px;color:rgba(240,237,238,0.5)"></span><span style="box-sizing:border-box">HOUSE_ALPHA</span></div><span style="box-sizing:border-box;display:inline-block;width:5px;height:434px"></span></div><div style="box-sizing:border-box;line-height:2rem;height:2rem;font-size:0.85rem;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;vertical-align:top;display:inline-block;padding:0px 13px 0px 10px;border-right-width:1px;width:146px"><div style="box-sizing:border-box;padding:inherit"><span aria-label="sort" style="box-sizing:border-box;float:right;margin-left:5px;color:rgba(240,237,238,0.5)"></span><span style="box-sizing:border-box">ADDRESS_TYPE</span></div><span style="box-sizing:border-box;display:inline-block;width:5px;height:434px"></span></div><div style="box-sizing:border-box;line-height:2rem;height:2rem;font-size:0.85rem;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;vertical-align:top;display:inline-block;padding:0px 13px 0px 10px;border-right-width:1px;width:163px"><div style="box-sizing:border-box;padding:inherit"><span aria-label="sort" style="box-sizing:border-box;float:right;margin-left:5px;color:rgba(240,237,238,0.5)"></span><span style="box-sizing:border-box">longitude</span></div><span style="box-sizing:border-box;display:inline-block;width:5px;height:434px"></span></div><div style="box-sizing:border-box;line-height:2rem;height:2rem;font-size:0.85rem;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;vertical-align:top;display:inline-block;padding:0px 13px 0px 10px;border-right-width:1px;width:159px"><div style="box-sizing:border-box;padding:inherit"><span aria-label="sort" style="box-sizing:border-box;float:right;margin-left:5px;color:rgba(240,237,238,0.5)"></span><span style="box-sizing:border-box">latitude</span></div><span style="box-sizing:border-box;display:inline-block;width:5px;height:434px"></span></div><div style="box-sizing:border-box;line-height:2rem;height:2rem;font-size:0.85rem;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;vertical-align:top;display:inline-block;padding:0px 13px 0px 10px;border-right-width:1px;width:300px"><div style="box-sizing:border-box;padding:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">location</span></div><span style="box-sizing:border-box;display:inline-block;width:5px;height:434px"></span></div><div style="box-sizing:border-box;line-height:2rem;height:2rem;font-size:0.85rem;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;vertical-align:top;display:inline-block;padding:0px 13px 0px 10px;border-right-width:1px;width:300px"><div style="box-sizing:border-box;padding:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">POINT</span></div><span style="box-sizing:border-box;display:inline-block;width:5px;height:434px"></span></div></div><span style="color:rgb(143,143,143);font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:13.6px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"></span><div style="box-sizing:border-box;overflow:auto;border:1px solid rgb(240,238,239);border-bottom-right-radius:4px;border-bottom-left-radius:4px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(143,143,143);font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:13.6px;height:372px"><div style="box-sizing:border-box;height:9600px"><div style="box-sizing:border-box;white-space:nowrap;width:1342px;height:9600px"><div style="box-sizing:border-box;line-height:2rem;height:9600px;font-size:0.85rem;overflow:visible;text-overflow:ellipsis;vertical-align:top;display:inline-block;padding:0px 10px;border:none;margin-right:1px;width:200px"><span style="box-sizing:border-box;display:inline-block;width:5px;height:9600px"></span></div><div style="box-sizing:border-box;line-height:2rem;height:9600px;font-size:0.85rem;overflow:visible;text-overflow:ellipsis;vertical-align:top;display:inline-block;padding:0px 10px;border:none;margin-right:1px;width:141px"><span style="box-sizing:border-box;display:inline-block;width:5px;height:9600px"></span></div><div style="box-sizing:border-box;line-height:2rem;height:9600px;font-size:0.85rem;overflow:visible;text-overflow:ellipsis;vertical-align:top;display:inline-block;padding:0px 10px;border:none;margin-right:1px;width:135px"><span style="box-sizing:border-box;display:inline-block;width:5px;height:9600px"></span></div><div style="box-sizing:border-box;line-height:2rem;height:9600px;font-size:0.85rem;overflow:visible;text-overflow:ellipsis;vertical-align:top;display:inline-block;padding:0px 10px;border:none;margin-right:1px;width:138px"><span style="box-sizing:border-box;display:inline-block;width:5px;height:9600px"></span></div><div style="box-sizing:border-box;line-height:2rem;height:9600px;font-size:0.85rem;overflow:visible;text-overflow:ellipsis;vertical-align:top;display:inline-block;padding:0px 10px;border:none;margin-right:1px;width:153px"><span style="box-sizing:border-box;display:inline-block;width:5px;height:9600px"></span></div><div style="box-sizing:border-box;line-height:2rem;height:9600px;font-size:0.85rem;overflow:visible;text-overflow:ellipsis;vertical-align:top;display:inline-block;padding:0px 10px;border:none;margin-right:1px;width:142px"><span style="box-sizing:border-box;display:inline-block;width:5px;height:9600px"></span></div><div style="box-sizing:border-box;line-height:2rem;height:9600px;font-size:0.85rem;overflow:visible;text-overflow:ellipsis;vertical-align:top;display:inline-block;padding:0px 10px;border:none;margin-right:1px;width:146px"><span style="box-sizing:border-box;display:inline-block;width:5px;height:9600px"></span></div><div style="box-sizing:border-box;line-height:2rem;height:9600px;font-size:0.85rem;overflow:visible;text-overflow:ellipsis;vertical-align:top;display:inline-block;padding:0px 10px;border:none;margin-right:1px;width:163px"><span style="box-sizing:border-box;display:inline-block;width:5px;height:9600px"></span></div><div style="box-sizing:border-box;line-height:2rem;height:9600px;font-size:0.85rem;overflow:visible;text-overflow:ellipsis;vertical-align:top;display:inline-block;padding:0px 10px;border:none;margin-right:1px;width:159px"><span style="box-sizing:border-box;display:inline-block;width:5px;height:9600px"></span></div><div style="box-sizing:border-box;line-height:2rem;height:9600px;font-size:0.85rem;overflow:visible;text-overflow:ellipsis;vertical-align:top;display:inline-block;padding:0px 10px;border:none;margin-right:1px;width:300px"><span style="box-sizing:border-box;display:inline-block;width:5px;height:9600px"></span></div><div style="box-sizing:border-box;line-height:2rem;height:9600px;font-size:0.85rem;overflow:visible;text-overflow:ellipsis;vertical-align:top;display:inline-block;padding:0px 10px;border:none;margin-right:1px;width:300px"><span style="box-sizing:border-box;display:inline-block;width:5px;height:9600px"></span></div></div><div style="box-sizing:border-box;min-width:100%"><div style="box-sizing:border-box;white-space:nowrap"><div style="box-sizing:border-box;line-height:2rem;height:2rem;font-size:0.85rem;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;vertical-align:top;display:inline-block;padding:0px 10px;border-right:1px solid rgb(240,238,239);width:200px"><div style="box-sizing:border-box">9895 24 ST SE</div></div><div style="box-sizing:border-box;line-height:2rem;height:2rem;font-size:0.85rem;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;vertical-align:top;display:inline-block;padding:0px 10px;border-right:1px solid rgb(240,238,239);width:141px"><div style="box-sizing:border-box">24</div></div><div style="box-sizing:border-box;line-height:2rem;height:2rem;font-size:0.85rem;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;vertical-align:top;display:inline-block;padding:0px 10px;border-right:1px solid rgb(240,238,239);width:135px"><div style="box-sizing:border-box">ST</div></div><div style="box-sizing:border-box;line-height:2rem;height:2rem;font-size:0.85rem;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;vertical-align:top;display:inline-block;padding:0px 10px;border-right:1px solid rgb(240,238,239);width:138px"><div style="box-sizing:border-box">SE</div></div><div style="box-sizing:border-box;line-height:2rem;height:2rem;font-size:0.85rem;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;text-align:right;vertical-align:top;display:inline-block;padding:0px 10px;border-right:1px solid rgb(240,238,239);width:153px"><div style="box-sizing:border-box">9895</div></div><div style="box-sizing:border-box;line-height:2rem;height:2rem;font-size:0.85rem;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;vertical-align:top;display:inline-block;padding:0px 10px;border-right:1px solid rgb(240,238,239);width:142px"><div style="box-sizing:border-box"></div></div><div style="box-sizing:border-box;line-height:2rem;height:2rem;font-size:0.85rem;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;vertical-align:top;display:inline-block;padding:0px 10px;border-right:1px solid rgb(240,238,239);width:146px"></div></div></div></div></div></div><br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Dec 15, 2022, at 6:12 PM, Ian Bruseker <<a href="mailto:ian.bruseker@gmail.com" target="_blank">ian.bruseker@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">This is kinda interesting, seeing all you people have a big long discussion about how to map where I live.  If you want me to go out my door and take a picture of a street sign, I'd be happy to.  Street signs have NW, NE, whatever on them, not the whole word, if they have that at all.  Small suburban named roads don't generally seem to, I would think because once you got that deep into a neighbourhood, you already know you're in a given quadrant so no point wasting ink to keep telling you that on the sign.  Someone earlier said something along the lines of "according to a friend of a friend who lives in Calgary..."  Well, I do live here.  Ask your questions about what this city does.<div><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></blockquote></div></div>