<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"></div><div dir="ltr">Thank you Pierre. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">As mention in this article it points back to Alberta database. My understanding is we go federal as you provided. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Iain</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Dec 15, 2022, at 12:01, Pierre Béland <pierzenh@yahoo.fr> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="ydpe15e5fd0yahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">voir <a href="https://www.alberta.ca/alberta-geographical-names-program.aspx" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.alberta.ca/alberta-geographical-names-program.aspx</a></div><div><br></div><div class="ydpe15e5fd0signature"><span style="font-style:italic;color:rgb(0, 0, 191);font-weight:bold;"> <br><font face="garamond, new york, times, serif" style="background-color: inherit;">Pierre </font><br></span></div></div>
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Le jeudi 15 décembre 2022 à 12 h 32 min 14 s UTC−5, iain@monkeyface.ca <iain@monkeyface.ca> a écrit :
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<div><div id="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"><div>Martin,<div class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"><br clear="none" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"></div><div class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351">I asked for the gazette article that was never provided. I am not disagreeing with abbreviation. I am asking what source we use as the federal provincial and municipal do no match. I assume you know this reading the sources I provided you.</div><div class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"><br clear="none" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"></div><div class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351">The correct answer could have been we use federal sources only not provincial or municipal. And that is a perfectly fine answer. I expect the wiki to reflect this. I would also expect it to be clear on items we don’t have federal documents for and how those names should be handled.<br clear="none" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"><div id="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351yqt96243" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351yqt0745267953"><div><br clear="none" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"><blockquote type="cite" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"><div class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351">On Dec 15, 2022, at 9:38 AM, Martin Chalifoux <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:martin.chalifoux@icloud.com" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">martin.chalifoux@icloud.com</a>> wrote:</div><br clear="none" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div><div id="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351yqt70843" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351yqt0745267953"><div><div class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351">If this helps. And I think Pierre in his post provided links to databases that provide non-abbreviated names for Alberta.<div class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"><br clear="none" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"></div><div class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"><span style="display:block;margin-bottom:0.6em;font-family:-apple-system;font-size:10.92px;" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351x_xh0 ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351hg"><span style="font-size:18.564001px;line-height:27.846001px;" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351hw">abbreviation </span><span style="display:inline-block;font-size:13.104px;line-height:17.0352px;margin-left:0.4em;margin-right:0.4em;" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351prx">| <span class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351ph">əˌbriːvɪˈeɪʃn</span> | </span></span><span style="margin-top:0.6em;font-family:-apple-system;font-size:10.92px;" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351sg"><span id="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351m_en_gbus0001190.004" style="display:block;margin-top:0.3em;margin-bottom:2em;margin-left:1em;" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351se1 ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351x_xd0"><span style="display:block;margin-bottom:0.5em;font-size:13.104px;line-height:15.7248px;" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351x_xdh ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351posg"><span class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351pos"><span style="margin-right:0.3em;" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351gp ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351tg_pos">noun </span></span></span><span id="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351m_en_gbus0001190.005" style="display:block;margin-top:0.3em;margin-bottom:0.7em;margin-left:0em;" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351msDict ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351x_xd1 ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351t_core"><span class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351df">a shortened form of a word or phrase</span><span class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351tg_df ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351gp">: </span><span class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351eg"><span style="font-style:italic;" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351ex">the chemical symbol Ag is an abbreviation of the Latin word for silver, argentum</span><span class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351tg_eg ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351gp"> | </span></span><span class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351eg"><span style="font-style:italic;" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351ex">use simple words and no abbreviations</span><span class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351tg_eg ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351gp">. </span></span><span class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351gp ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351tg_msDict"></span></span><span id="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351m_en_gbus0001190.008" style="display:block;margin-top:0.3em;margin-bottom:0.7em;margin-left:1em;text-indent:0em;" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351hasSn ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351t_subsense ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351msDict ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351x_xd1"><span style="font-weight:600;margin-right:0em;" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351sn ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351gp ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351tg_msDict">• </span><span style="font-style:italic;font-size:10.2648px;" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351gg"><span class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351tg_gg ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351gp">[</span><span class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351sy">mass noun</span><span class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351tg_gg ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351gp">] </span></span><span class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351df">the process of abbreviating something</span><span class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351tg_df ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351gp">: </span><span class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351eg"><span style="font-style:italic;" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351ex">nursing records must be written without abbreviation</span><span class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351tg_eg ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351gp">. </span></span></span></span><span class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351tg_sg ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351gp"></span></span><span style="display:block;margin-top:1em;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0em;font-family:-apple-system;font-size:10.92px;" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351etym ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351x_xo0"><span style="font-size:9.828px;display:block;padding-bottom:0.3em;border-bottom-width:thin;border-bottom-style:solid;margin-top:2em;margin-bottom:0.5em;" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351x_xoLblBlk ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351ty_label ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351tg_etym ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351gp">ORIGIN </span><span style="display:block;margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em;margin-left:1em;" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351x_xo1"><span class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351dg">late Middle English</span>: from <span class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351la">Anglo-Norman French </span><span style="font-style:italic;font-weight:600;" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351ff">abreviation</span>, from <span class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351la">ecclesiastical Latin </span><span style="font-style:italic;font-weight:600;" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351ff">abbreviatio(n-)</span>, from the verb <span style="font-style:italic;font-weight:600;" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351ff">abbreviare </span>(see <span class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351xrg"><span class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351xr"><a shape="rect" title="abbreviate" style="text-decoration:none;" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351">abbreviate</a></span></span>)<span class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351tg_etym ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351gp">.</span></span><span style="display:block;margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em;margin-left:1em;" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351x_xo1"><span class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351tg_etym ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351gp"><br clear="none" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"></span></span><span style="display:block;margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em;margin-left:1em;" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351x_xo1"><span class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351tg_etym ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351gp"><br clear="none" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"></span></span><span style="display:block;margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em;margin-left:1em;" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351x_xo1"><span class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351tg_etym ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351gp"></span></span></span><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351">From Pierre B’eland Post:</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351">____________________</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351">Permettez-moi de revenir sur le sujet des répertoires de données officielles au Canada. J'ai pris le temps de télécharger les données pour l'Alberta et j'y constate que les noms sont écrits sans abbréviation ie. South-East, South-West et non SE, SW.</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351">(voir liens NRN plus bas).</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"><br clear="none" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351">Les données officielles sont collectées par les provinces et territoires. Le gouvernement fédéral y ajoute de données fédérales telles que Pacs nationaux. <br clear="none" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"><br clear="none" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"><div dir="ltr" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351">La Commission de toponymie du Canada - Geographical Names Board of Canada gère ces données. Cette Commission comprend des représentants des provinces et territoires et ministères fédéraux.</div><div dir="ltr" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"><a shape="rect" href="https://www.rncan.gc.ca/sciences-de-la-terre/geographie/commission-de-toponymie-du-canada/11085" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.rncan.gc.ca/sciences-de-la-terre/geographie/commission-de-toponymie-du-canada/11085</a><br clear="none" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"></div><div dir="ltr" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"><a shape="rect" href="https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/earth-sciences/geography/geographical-names-board-canada/11084" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/earth-sciences/geography/geographical-names-board-canada/11084</a><br clear="none" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"></div><div dir="ltr" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"> </div><div dir="ltr" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351">De là des répertoires sont disponibles notamment sur le site des données ouvertes du Canada.</div><div dir="ltr" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351">Voici deux grands répertoires de données vectorielles qui nous intéressent</div><div dir="ltr" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"><br clear="none" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"></div></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351">1. Noms de lieux - Toponymes du Canada - Geographical names in Canada</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351">FR <a shape="rect" href="https://www.rncan.gc.ca/cartes-outils-et-publications/cartes/toponymes-canada/10804" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.rncan.gc.ca/cartes-outils-et-publications/cartes/toponymes-canada/10804</a></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351">EN <a shape="rect" href="https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/maps-tools-and-publications/maps/geographical-names-canada/10786" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/maps-tools-and-publications/maps/geographical-names-canada/10786</a></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"><br clear="none" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class="ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351">2. 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