<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">OSM tags and street signage usually don’ t match. Many town use Rd and Blvd and such on their signage. Yet this is not what we put in OSM for many good reasons. You add nothing and repeat old arguments that I don’t buy into.<div><br></div><div>Here is a small extract from the database you link to. Street name: 24, Street type: ST, Street Quad: SE</div><div>You agree that the ST should be Steet in OSM yet you get hung up on not using Southeast for SE. Our policy is to avoid abbreviations and there is no reason to treat TYPE and QUAD differently, they are both a characterization fo the street name, which is “24”</div><div><br></div><div>Could it be that this issue keeps coming back it because some people insist on doing it wrong, so it keeps coming back because it is never fixed.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers.</div><div><br></div><div><div class="table-head" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; position: relative; white-space: nowrap; height: 2rem; min-width: 100%; overflow: visible; padding-right: 100px; padding-left: 1px; background-color: rgb(104, 176, 204); color: rgb(240, 237, 238); font-family: Roboto, sans-serif; font-size: 13.6px;"><div ng-repeat="header in headers" class="th ng-scope sortable" data-index="0" data-column-id="address" ng-click="sortOnColumn($event, header.columnId)" ng-class="{active: header.active, sortable: header.sortable}" ng-style="{width: header.width+'px'}" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 2rem; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: hidden; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 13px 0px 10px; border-right-width: 1px; margin-right: -2px; position: relative; cursor: pointer; width: 200px;"><div class="content" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px -10px; padding: inherit;"><span class="ng-binding" style="box-sizing: border-box;">ADDRESS</span></div><span class="resize" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; width: 5px; position: absolute; right: 0px; cursor: col-resize; z-index: 1; height: 434px; top: 0px;"></span></div><div ng-repeat="header in headers" class="th ng-scope sortable" data-index="1" data-column-id="street_name" ng-click="sortOnColumn($event, header.columnId)" ng-class="{active: header.active, sortable: header.sortable}" ng-style="{width: header.width+'px'}" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 2rem; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: hidden; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 13px 0px 10px; border-right-width: 1px; margin-right: -2px; position: relative; cursor: pointer; width: 141px;"><div class="content" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px -10px; padding: inherit;"><span class="caret ng-scope sortUp" aria-label="sort" ng-class="{sortUp: header.sortUp}" ng-if="header.sortable" style="box-sizing: border-box; float: right; margin-left: 5px; transform: scaleY(0.5); color: rgba(240, 237, 238, 0.5);"></span><span class="ng-binding" style="box-sizing: border-box;">STREET_NAME</span></div><span class="resize" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; width: 5px; position: absolute; right: 0px; cursor: col-resize; z-index: 1; height: 434px; top: 0px;"></span></div><div ng-repeat="header in headers" class="th ng-scope sortable" data-index="2" data-column-id="street_type" ng-click="sortOnColumn($event, header.columnId)" ng-class="{active: header.active, sortable: header.sortable}" ng-style="{width: header.width+'px'}" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 2rem; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: hidden; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 13px 0px 10px; border-right-width: 1px; margin-right: -2px; position: relative; cursor: pointer; width: 135px;"><div class="content" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px -10px; padding: inherit;"><span class="caret ng-scope sortUp" aria-label="sort" ng-class="{sortUp: header.sortUp}" ng-if="header.sortable" style="box-sizing: border-box; float: right; margin-left: 5px; transform: scaleY(0.5); color: rgba(240, 237, 238, 0.5);"></span><span class="ng-binding" style="box-sizing: border-box;">STREET_TYPE</span></div><span class="resize" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; width: 5px; position: absolute; right: 0px; cursor: col-resize; z-index: 1; height: 434px; top: 0px;"></span></div><div ng-repeat="header in headers" class="th ng-scope sortable" data-index="3" data-column-id="street_quad" ng-click="sortOnColumn($event, header.columnId)" ng-class="{active: header.active, sortable: header.sortable}" ng-style="{width: header.width+'px'}" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 2rem; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: hidden; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 13px 0px 10px; border-right-width: 1px; margin-right: -2px; position: relative; cursor: pointer; width: 138px;"><div class="content" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px -10px; padding: inherit;"><span class="caret ng-scope sortUp" aria-label="sort" ng-class="{sortUp: header.sortUp}" ng-if="header.sortable" style="box-sizing: border-box; float: right; margin-left: 5px; transform: scaleY(0.5); color: rgba(240, 237, 238, 0.5);"></span><span class="ng-binding" style="box-sizing: border-box;">STREET_QUAD</span></div><span class="resize" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; width: 5px; position: absolute; right: 0px; cursor: col-resize; z-index: 1; height: 434px; top: 0px;"></span></div><div ng-repeat="header in headers" class="th ng-scope active sortable" data-index="4" data-column-id="house_number" ng-click="sortOnColumn($event, header.columnId)" ng-class="{active: header.active, sortable: header.sortable}" ng-style="{width: header.width+'px'}" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 2rem; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: hidden; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 13px 0px 10px; border-right-width: 1px; margin-right: -2px; position: relative; cursor: pointer; width: 153px;"><div class="content" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px -10px; padding: inherit;"><span class="caret ng-scope" aria-label="sort" ng-class="{sortUp: header.sortUp}" ng-if="header.sortable" style="box-sizing: border-box; float: right; margin-left: 5px; transform: scaleY(0.5);"></span><span class="ng-binding" style="box-sizing: border-box;">HOUSE_NUMBER</span></div><span class="resize" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; width: 5px; position: absolute; right: 0px; cursor: col-resize; z-index: 1; height: 434px; top: 0px;"></span></div><div ng-repeat="header in headers" class="th ng-scope sortable" data-index="5" data-column-id="house_alpha" ng-click="sortOnColumn($event, header.columnId)" ng-class="{active: header.active, sortable: header.sortable}" ng-style="{width: header.width+'px'}" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 2rem; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: hidden; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 13px 0px 10px; border-right-width: 1px; margin-right: -2px; position: relative; cursor: pointer; width: 142px;"><div class="content" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px -10px; padding: inherit;"><span class="caret ng-scope sortUp" aria-label="sort" ng-class="{sortUp: header.sortUp}" ng-if="header.sortable" style="box-sizing: border-box; float: right; margin-left: 5px; transform: scaleY(0.5); color: rgba(240, 237, 238, 0.5);"></span><span class="ng-binding" style="box-sizing: border-box;">HOUSE_ALPHA</span></div><span class="resize" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; width: 5px; position: absolute; right: 0px; cursor: col-resize; z-index: 1; height: 434px; top: 0px;"></span></div><div ng-repeat="header in headers" class="th ng-scope sortable" data-index="6" data-column-id="address_type" ng-click="sortOnColumn($event, header.columnId)" ng-class="{active: header.active, sortable: header.sortable}" ng-style="{width: header.width+'px'}" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 2rem; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: hidden; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 13px 0px 10px; border-right-width: 1px; margin-right: -2px; position: relative; cursor: pointer; width: 146px;"><div class="content" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px -10px; padding: inherit;"><span class="caret ng-scope sortUp" aria-label="sort" ng-class="{sortUp: header.sortUp}" ng-if="header.sortable" style="box-sizing: border-box; float: right; margin-left: 5px; transform: scaleY(0.5); color: rgba(240, 237, 238, 0.5);"></span><span class="ng-binding" style="box-sizing: border-box;">ADDRESS_TYPE</span></div><span class="resize" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; width: 5px; position: absolute; right: 0px; cursor: col-resize; z-index: 1; height: 434px; top: 0px;"></span></div><div ng-repeat="header in headers" class="th ng-scope sortable" data-index="7" data-column-id="longitude" ng-click="sortOnColumn($event, header.columnId)" ng-class="{active: header.active, sortable: header.sortable}" ng-style="{width: header.width+'px'}" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 2rem; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: hidden; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 13px 0px 10px; border-right-width: 1px; margin-right: -2px; position: relative; cursor: pointer; width: 163px;"><div class="content" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px -10px; padding: inherit;"><span class="caret ng-scope" aria-label="sort" ng-class="{sortUp: header.sortUp}" ng-if="header.sortable" style="box-sizing: border-box; float: right; margin-left: 5px; transform: scaleY(0.5); color: rgba(240, 237, 238, 0.5);"></span><span class="ng-binding" style="box-sizing: border-box;">longitude</span></div><span class="resize" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; width: 5px; position: absolute; right: 0px; cursor: col-resize; z-index: 1; height: 434px; top: 0px;"></span></div><div ng-repeat="header in headers" class="th ng-scope sortable" data-index="8" data-column-id="latitude" ng-click="sortOnColumn($event, header.columnId)" ng-class="{active: header.active, sortable: header.sortable}" ng-style="{width: header.width+'px'}" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 2rem; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: hidden; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 13px 0px 10px; border-right-width: 1px; margin-right: -2px; position: relative; cursor: pointer; width: 159px;"><div class="content" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px -10px; padding: inherit;"><span class="caret ng-scope" aria-label="sort" ng-class="{sortUp: header.sortUp}" ng-if="header.sortable" style="box-sizing: border-box; float: right; margin-left: 5px; transform: scaleY(0.5); color: rgba(240, 237, 238, 0.5);"></span><span class="ng-binding" style="box-sizing: border-box;">latitude</span></div><span class="resize" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; width: 5px; position: absolute; right: 0px; cursor: col-resize; z-index: 1; height: 434px; top: 0px;"></span></div><div ng-repeat="header in headers" class="th ng-scope" data-index="9" data-column-id="location" ng-click="sortOnColumn($event, header.columnId)" ng-class="{active: header.active, sortable: header.sortable}" ng-style="{width: header.width+'px'}" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 2rem; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: hidden; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 13px 0px 10px; border-right-width: 1px; margin-right: -2px; position: relative; width: 300px;"><div class="content" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px -10px; padding: inherit;"><span class="ng-binding" style="box-sizing: border-box;">location</span></div><span class="resize" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; width: 5px; position: absolute; right: 0px; cursor: col-resize; z-index: 1; height: 434px; top: 0px;"></span></div><div ng-repeat="header in headers" class="th ng-scope" data-index="10" data-column-id="point" ng-click="sortOnColumn($event, header.columnId)" ng-class="{active: header.active, sortable: header.sortable}" ng-style="{width: header.width+'px'}" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 2rem; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: hidden; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 13px 0px 10px; border-right-width: 1px; margin-right: -2px; position: relative; width: 300px;"><div class="content" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px -10px; padding: inherit;"><span class="ng-binding" style="box-sizing: border-box;">POINT</span></div><span class="resize" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; width: 5px; position: absolute; right: 0px; cursor: col-resize; z-index: 1; height: 434px; top: 0px;"></span></div></div><span style="caret-color: rgb(143, 143, 143); color: rgb(143, 143, 143); font-family: Roboto, sans-serif; font-size: 13.6px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"></span><div class="table-body" style="box-sizing: border-box; position: relative; overflow: auto; border: 1px solid rgb(240, 238, 239); border-bottom-right-radius: 4px; border-bottom-left-radius: 4px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); caret-color: rgb(143, 143, 143); color: rgb(143, 143, 143); font-family: Roboto, sans-serif; font-size: 13.6px; height: 372px;"><div class="table-expander" style="box-sizing: border-box; height: 9600px;"><div class="table-resize-container table-row" style="box-sizing: border-box; white-space: nowrap; width: 1342px; height: 9600px;"><div class="cell" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 9600px; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: visible; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 10px; border: none; position: relative; margin-right: 1px; width: 200px;"><span class="resize" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; width: 5px; position: absolute; right: -3px; cursor: col-resize; z-index: 1; height: 9600px;"></span></div><div class="cell" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 9600px; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: visible; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 10px; border: none; position: relative; margin-right: 1px; width: 141px;"><span class="resize" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; width: 5px; position: absolute; right: -3px; cursor: col-resize; z-index: 1; height: 9600px;"></span></div><div class="cell" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 9600px; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: visible; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 10px; border: none; position: relative; margin-right: 1px; width: 135px;"><span class="resize" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; width: 5px; position: absolute; right: -3px; cursor: col-resize; z-index: 1; height: 9600px;"></span></div><div class="cell" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 9600px; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: visible; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 10px; border: none; position: relative; margin-right: 1px; width: 138px;"><span class="resize" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; width: 5px; position: absolute; right: -3px; cursor: col-resize; z-index: 1; height: 9600px;"></span></div><div class="cell" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 9600px; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: visible; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 10px; border: none; position: relative; margin-right: 1px; width: 153px;"><span class="resize" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; width: 5px; position: absolute; right: -3px; cursor: col-resize; z-index: 1; height: 9600px;"></span></div><div class="cell" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 9600px; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: visible; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 10px; border: none; position: relative; margin-right: 1px; width: 142px;"><span class="resize" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; width: 5px; position: absolute; right: -3px; cursor: col-resize; z-index: 1; height: 9600px;"></span></div><div class="cell" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 9600px; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: visible; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 10px; border: none; position: relative; margin-right: 1px; width: 146px;"><span class="resize" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; width: 5px; position: absolute; right: -3px; cursor: col-resize; z-index: 1; height: 9600px;"></span></div><div class="cell" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 9600px; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: visible; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 10px; border: none; position: relative; margin-right: 1px; width: 163px;"><span class="resize" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; width: 5px; position: absolute; right: -3px; cursor: col-resize; z-index: 1; height: 9600px;"></span></div><div class="cell" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 9600px; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: visible; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 10px; border: none; position: relative; margin-right: 1px; width: 159px;"><span class="resize" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; width: 5px; position: absolute; right: -3px; cursor: col-resize; z-index: 1; height: 9600px;"></span></div><div class="cell" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 9600px; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: visible; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 10px; border: none; position: relative; margin-right: 1px; width: 300px;"><span class="resize" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; width: 5px; position: absolute; right: -3px; cursor: col-resize; z-index: 1; height: 9600px;"></span></div><div class="cell" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 9600px; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: visible; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 10px; border: none; position: relative; margin-right: 1px; width: 300px;"><span class="resize" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; width: 5px; position: absolute; right: -3px; cursor: col-resize; z-index: 1; height: 9600px;"></span></div></div><div class="row-block" data-block-id="0" style="box-sizing: border-box; position: absolute; min-width: 100%; top: 0px;"><div class="table-row" style="box-sizing: border-box; white-space: nowrap;"><div class="cell text" data-index="0" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 2rem; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: hidden; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 10px; border-right-width: 1px; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb(240, 238, 239); width: 200px;"><div class="cell-content" style="box-sizing: border-box;">9895 24 ST SE</div></div><div class="cell text" data-index="1" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 2rem; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: hidden; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 10px; border-right-width: 1px; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb(240, 238, 239); width: 141px;"><div class="cell-content" style="box-sizing: border-box;">24</div></div><div class="cell text" data-index="2" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 2rem; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: hidden; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 10px; border-right-width: 1px; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb(240, 238, 239); width: 135px;"><div class="cell-content" style="box-sizing: border-box;">ST</div></div><div class="cell text" data-index="3" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 2rem; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: hidden; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 10px; border-right-width: 1px; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb(240, 238, 239); width: 138px;"><div class="cell-content" style="box-sizing: border-box;">SE</div></div><div class="cell number" data-index="4" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 2rem; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: hidden; text-overflow: ellipsis; text-align: right; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 10px; border-right-width: 1px; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb(240, 238, 239); width: 153px;"><div class="cell-content" style="box-sizing: border-box;">9895</div></div><div class="cell text" data-index="5" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 2rem; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: hidden; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 10px; border-right-width: 1px; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb(240, 238, 239); width: 142px;"><div class="cell-content" style="box-sizing: border-box;"></div></div><div class="cell text" data-index="6" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 2rem; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: hidden; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 10px; border-right-width: 1px; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb(240, 238, 239); width: 146px;"><div class="cell-content" style="box-sizing: border-box;">Parcel</div></div><div class="cell number" data-index="7" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 2rem; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: hidden; text-overflow: ellipsis; text-align: right; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 10px; border-right-width: 1px; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb(240, 238, 239); width: 163px;"><div class="cell-content" style="box-sizing: border-box;">-114.00184767519124</div></div><div class="cell number" data-index="8" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 2rem; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: hidden; text-overflow: ellipsis; text-align: right; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 10px; border-right-width: 1px; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb(240, 238, 239); width: 159px;"><div class="cell-content" style="box-sizing: border-box;">50.9650303052608</div></div><div class="cell point" data-index="9" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 2rem; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: hidden; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 10px; border-right-width: 1px; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb(240, 238, 239); width: 300px;"><div class="cell-content" style="box-sizing: border-box;">(<span title="Latitude" style="box-sizing: border-box;">50.9650303052608°</span>, <span title="Longitude" style="box-sizing: border-box;">-114.00184767519124°</span>)</div></div><div class="cell point" data-index="10" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 2rem; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: hidden; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 10px; border-right-style: none; width: 300px;"><div class="cell-content" style="box-sizing: border-box;">(<span title="Latitude" style="box-sizing: border-box;">50.9650303052608°</span>, <span title="Longitude" style="box-sizing: border-box;">-114.00184767519124°</span>)</div></div></div><div class="table-row" style="box-sizing: border-box; white-space: nowrap; background-color: rgb(240, 245, 248);"><div class="cell text" data-index="0" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 2rem; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: hidden; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 10px; border-right-width: 1px; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb(240, 238, 239); width: 200px;"><div class="cell-content" style="box-sizing: border-box;">9892 18 ST SE</div></div><div class="cell text" data-index="1" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 2rem; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: hidden; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 10px; border-right-width: 1px; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb(240, 238, 239); width: 141px;"><div class="cell-content" style="box-sizing: border-box;">18</div></div><div class="cell text" data-index="2" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 2rem; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: hidden; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 10px; border-right-width: 1px; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb(240, 238, 239); width: 135px;"><div class="cell-content" style="box-sizing: border-box;">ST</div></div><div class="cell text" data-index="3" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 2rem; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: hidden; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 10px; border-right-width: 1px; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb(240, 238, 239); width: 138px;"><div class="cell-content" style="box-sizing: border-box;">SE</div></div><div class="cell number" data-index="4" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 2rem; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: hidden; text-overflow: ellipsis; text-align: right; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 10px; border-right-width: 1px; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb(240, 238, 239); width: 153px;"><div class="cell-content" style="box-sizing: border-box;">9892</div></div><div class="cell text" data-index="5" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 2rem; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: hidden; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 10px; border-right-width: 1px; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb(240, 238, 239); width: 142px;"><div class="cell-content" style="box-sizing: border-box;"></div></div><div class="cell text" data-index="6" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 2rem; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: hidden; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 10px; border-right-width: 1px; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb(240, 238, 239); width: 146px;"><div class="cell-content" style="box-sizing: border-box;">Parcel</div></div><div class="cell number" data-index="7" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 2rem; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: hidden; text-overflow: ellipsis; text-align: right; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 10px; border-right-width: 1px; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb(240, 238, 239); width: 163px;"><div class="cell-content" style="box-sizing: border-box;">-114.01250135847407</div></div><div class="cell number" data-index="8" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 2rem; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: hidden; text-overflow: ellipsis; text-align: right; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 10px; border-right-width: 1px; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb(240, 238, 239); width: 159px;"><div class="cell-content" style="box-sizing: border-box;">50.965030666755766</div></div><div class="cell point" data-index="9" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 2rem; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: hidden; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 10px; border-right-width: 1px; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb(240, 238, 239); width: 300px;"><div class="cell-content" style="box-sizing: border-box;">(<span title="Latitude" style="box-sizing: border-box;">50.965030666755766°</span>, <span title="Longitude" style="box-sizing: border-box;">-114.01250135847407°</span>)</div></div><div class="cell point" data-index="10" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 2rem; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: hidden; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 10px; border-right-style: none; width: 300px;"><div class="cell-content" style="box-sizing: border-box;">(<span title="Latitude" style="box-sizing: border-box;">50.965030666755766°</span>, <span title="Longitude" style="box-sizing: border-box;">-114.01250135847407°</span>)</div></div></div><div class="table-row" style="box-sizing: border-box; white-space: nowrap;"><div class="cell text" data-index="0" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: 2rem; height: 2rem; font-size: 0.85rem; overflow: hidden; text-overflow: ellipsis; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; padding: 0px 10px; border-right-width: 1px; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb(240, 238, 239); width: 200px;"><div class="cell-content" style="box-sizing: border-box;">9891 18 ST SE</div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers.<br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Dec 15, 2022, at 6:12 PM, Ian Bruseker <ian.bruseker@gmail.com> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">This is kinda interesting, seeing all you people have a big long discussion about how to map where I live. If you want me to go out my door and take a picture of a street sign, I'd be happy to. Street signs have NW, NE, whatever on them, not the whole word, if they have that at all. Small suburban named roads don't generally seem to, I would think because once you got that deep into a neighbourhood, you already know you're in a given quadrant so no point wasting ink to keep telling you that on the sign. Someone earlier said something along the lines of "according to a friend of a friend who lives in Calgary..." Well, I do live here. Ask your questions about what this city does.<div><br></div><div>As for who names streets, I'd say the City of Calgary seems pretty confident that's their job. "The Calgary Planning Commission and Council approve street names." From <a href="https://www.calgary.ca/development/addressing.html">https://www.calgary.ca/development/addressing.html</a> </div><div><br></div><div>For how the city stores this data in a database, check this out: </div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://data.calgary.ca/Base-Maps/Parcel-Address-Data-Lens/r3gn-538m">https://data.calgary.ca/Base-Maps/Parcel-Address-Data-Lens/r3gn-538m</a> </div><div><br></div><div>You'll see both the "address" and "street_quad" fields just have a two letter abbreviation in them. I'm not saying it's the right way to do it, I am a computer nerd and understand that good data is important, but that's how we roll in Calgary. If I asked someone "write down your address" and they wrote down 123 4 St NE, that'd make all the sense in the world to me. Yes, out loud I would say "northeast", but I'd never write it that way or expect to see it on a sign that way. That's way too much work/writing.</div><div><br></div><div>As for history, why did we Calgarians map it this way? I'd like to think I'm part of that history, and we did it based on the old ethos of "map what you see on the ground", not some perfect form of data science.</div><div><br></div><div>Anyway, like I said, if I can help anyone understand Calgary or Alberta better, from the point of view of just a regular user of maps and occasional mapper of things I see on the ground, not a pro cartologist, happy to tell you what I can.</div><div><br></div><div>Ian</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 15 Dec 2022 at 13:06, Kevin Farrugia <<a href="mailto:kevinfarrugia@gmail.com">kevinfarrugia@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Not necessarily, in Ontario it's the municipalities that approve street names and creates addresses (developers propose the street name). Not sure how it works in Alberta, but I know Ontario gets the names from the municipalities and then the Feds get it from the province (i.e. local street dataset --> Ontario Road Network --> National Road Network). In Ontario the province doesn't really have any say since it's left up to the municipal street naming committee. Again, check with the Alberta situation, but I can't see them wanting to get into street naming...<br></div><div><br></div><div>-Kevin<br></div><br><div><div><div><div dir="ltr"><a href="mailto:kevinfarrugia@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a></div></div><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 2:36 PM Pierre Béland via Talk-ca <<a href="mailto:talk-ca@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">talk-ca@openstreetmap.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div><div dir="ltr">Iain,</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Ce sont les provinces et territoires qui sont responsables d'établir les noms officiels dans leur juridiction et d'accepter les propositions des municipalités</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Le répertoire des données fédérales contient les données fournies par chaque province et territoire. Ce répeertoire est publié avec une licence de données ouvertes compatible avec OSM. Lors de l'ajout d'un nom de rue, il est toujours possible d'indiquer </div><div dir="ltr">source = NRN Canada / Alberta.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Les autres noms de lieux (ie. ville, lac, etc) sont disponibles via la deuxième source de données nationale</div><div dir="ltr"><a href="https://toponymes.rncan.gc.ca/search-place-names/search" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://toponymes.rncan.gc.ca/search-place-names/search</a> </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Par exemple, si je recherche sur ce site fédéral [Lesser Slave Lake] : j'obtiens le polygone du lac et on y indique que la source est [<span>Alberta-Ministry of Culture and Status of Women], donc le gouvernement d'Alberta.</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,191);font-style:italic;font-weight:bold"> </span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-style:italic;color:rgb(0,0,191);font-weight:bold"><font style="background-color:inherit" face="garamond, new york, times, serif">Pierre </font><br></span></div></div>
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<div><div id="m_-8008550917226163766m_2627136954062388165ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"><div>Martin,<div><br clear="none"></div><div>I asked for the gazette article that was never provided. I am not disagreeing with abbreviation. I am asking what source we use as the federal provincial and municipal do no match. I assume you know this reading the sources I provided you.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>The correct answer could have been we use federal sources only not provincial or municipal. And that is a perfectly fine answer. I expect the wiki to reflect this. I would also expect it to be clear on items we don’t have federal documents for and how those names should be handled.<br clear="none"><div id="m_-8008550917226163766m_2627136954062388165ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351yqt96243"><div><br clear="none"><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Dec 15, 2022, at 9:38 AM, Martin Chalifoux <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:martin.chalifoux@icloud.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">martin.chalifoux@icloud.com</a>> wrote:</div><br clear="none"><div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div><div id="m_-8008550917226163766m_2627136954062388165ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351yqt70843"><div><div>If this helps. And I think Pierre in his post provided links to databases that provide non-abbreviated names for Alberta.<div><br clear="none"></div><div><span style="display:block;margin-bottom:0.6em;font-family:-apple-system;font-size:10.92px"><span style="font-size:18.564px;line-height:27.846px">abbreviation </span><span style="display:inline-block;font-size:13.104px;line-height:17.0352px;margin-left:0.4em;margin-right:0.4em">| <span>əˌbriːvɪˈeɪʃn</span> | </span></span><span style="margin-top:0.6em;font-family:-apple-system;font-size:10.92px"><span id="m_-8008550917226163766m_2627136954062388165ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351m_en_gbus0001190.004" style="display:block;margin-top:0.3em;margin-bottom:2em;margin-left:1em"><span style="display:block;margin-bottom:0.5em;font-size:13.104px;line-height:15.7248px"><span><span style="margin-right:0.3em">noun </span></span></span><span id="m_-8008550917226163766m_2627136954062388165ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351m_en_gbus0001190.005" style="display:block;margin-top:0.3em;margin-bottom:0.7em;margin-left:0em"><span>a shortened form of a word or phrase</span><span>: </span><span><span style="font-style:italic">the chemical symbol Ag is an abbreviation of the Latin word for silver, argentum</span><span> | </span></span><span><span style="font-style:italic">use simple words and no abbreviations</span><span>. </span></span><span></span></span><span id="m_-8008550917226163766m_2627136954062388165ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351m_en_gbus0001190.008" style="display:block;margin-top:0.3em;margin-bottom:0.7em;margin-left:1em;text-indent:0em"><span style="font-weight:600;margin-right:0em">• </span><span style="font-style:italic;font-size:10.2648px"><span>[</span><span>mass noun</span><span>] </span></span><span>the process of abbreviating something</span><span>: </span><span><span style="font-style:italic">nursing records must be written without abbreviation</span><span>. </span></span></span></span><span></span></span><span style="display:block;margin-top:1em;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0em;font-family:-apple-system;font-size:10.92px"><span style="font-size:9.828px;display:block;padding-bottom:0.3em;border-bottom-width:thin;border-bottom-style:solid;margin-top:2em;margin-bottom:0.5em">ORIGIN </span><span style="display:block;margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em;margin-left:1em"><span>late Middle English</span>: from <span>Anglo-Norman French </span><span style="font-style:italic;font-weight:600">abreviation</span>, from <span>ecclesiastical Latin </span><span style="font-style:italic;font-weight:600">abbreviatio(n-)</span>, from the verb <span style="font-style:italic;font-weight:600">abbreviare </span>(see <span><span><a shape="rect" title="abbreviate" style="text-decoration:none">abbreviate</a></span></span>)<span>.</span></span><span style="display:block;margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em;margin-left:1em"><span><br clear="none"></span></span><span style="display:block;margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em;margin-left:1em"><span><br clear="none"></span></span><span style="display:block;margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em;margin-left:1em"><span></span></span></span><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">From Pierre B’eland Post:</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">____________________</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Permettez-moi de revenir sur le sujet des répertoires de données officielles au Canada. J'ai pris le temps de télécharger les données pour l'Alberta et j'y constate que les noms sont écrits sans abbréviation ie. South-East, South-West et non SE, SW.</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">(voir liens NRN plus bas).</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Les données officielles sont collectées par les provinces et territoires. Le gouvernement fédéral y ajoute de données fédérales telles que Pacs nationaux. <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div dir="ltr">La Commission de toponymie du Canada - Geographical Names Board of Canada gère ces données. Cette Commission comprend des représentants des provinces et territoires et ministères fédéraux.</div><div dir="ltr"><a shape="rect" href="https://www.rncan.gc.ca/sciences-de-la-terre/geographie/commission-de-toponymie-du-canada/11085" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.rncan.gc.ca/sciences-de-la-terre/geographie/commission-de-toponymie-du-canada/11085</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><a shape="rect" href="https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/earth-sciences/geography/geographical-names-board-canada/11084" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/earth-sciences/geography/geographical-names-board-canada/11084</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> </div><div dir="ltr">De là des répertoires sont disponibles notamment sur le site des données ouvertes du Canada.</div><div dir="ltr">Voici deux grands répertoires de données vectorielles qui nous intéressent</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">1. Noms de lieux - Toponymes du Canada - Geographical names in Canada</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">FR <a shape="rect" href="https://www.rncan.gc.ca/cartes-outils-et-publications/cartes/toponymes-canada/10804" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.rncan.gc.ca/cartes-outils-et-publications/cartes/toponymes-canada/10804</a></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">EN <a shape="rect" href="https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/maps-tools-and-publications/maps/geographical-names-canada/10786" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/maps-tools-and-publications/maps/geographical-names-canada/10786</a></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">2. 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