<html><head></head><body><div class="ydpc05b5750yahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Iain,</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Ce sont les provinces et territoires qui sont responsables d'établir les noms officiels dans leur juridiction et d'accepter les propositions des municipalités</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Le répertoire des données fédérales contient les données fournies par chaque province et territoire. Ce répeertoire est publié avec une licence de données ouvertes compatible avec OSM. Lors de l'ajout d'un nom de rue, il est toujours possible d'indiquer </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">source = NRN Canada / Alberta.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Les autres noms de lieux (ie. ville, lac, etc) sont disponibles via la deuxième source de données nationale</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><a href="https://toponymes.rncan.gc.ca/search-place-names/search" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://toponymes.rncan.gc.ca/search-place-names/search</a> </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Par exemple, si je recherche sur ce site fédéral [Lesser Slave Lake] : j'obtiens le polygone du lac et on y indique que la source est [<span>Alberta-Ministry of Culture and Status of Women], donc le gouvernement d'Alberta.</span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 191); font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;"> </span></div><div class="ydpc05b5750signature" dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span style="font-style:italic;color:rgb(0, 0, 191);font-weight:bold;"><font face="garamond, new york, times, serif" style="background-color: inherit;">Pierre </font><br></span></div></div>
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Le jeudi 15 décembre 2022 à 14 h 05 min 44 s UTC−5, Iain Ingram <iain@monkeyface.ca> a écrit :
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<div><div id="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262"><div><div dir="ltr"></div><div dir="ltr">Thank you Pierre. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">As mention in this article it points back to Alberta database. My understanding is we go federal as you provided. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Iain</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Dec 15, 2022, at 12:01, Pierre Béland <pierzenh@yahoo.fr> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydpe15e5fd0yahoo-style-wrap"><div><div dir="ltr">voir <a href="https://www.alberta.ca/alberta-geographical-names-program.aspx" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.alberta.ca/alberta-geographical-names-program.aspx</a></div><div><br></div><div class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydpe15e5fd0signature"><span style="font-style:italic;color:rgb(0, 0, 191);font-weight:bold;"> <br><font face="garamond, new york, times, serif" style="background-color:inherit;">Pierre </font><br></span></div></div>
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Le jeudi 15 décembre 2022 à 12 h 32 min 14 s UTC−5, iain@monkeyface.ca <iain@monkeyface.ca> a écrit :
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<div><div id="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"><div>Martin,<div class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"><br clear="none" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"></div><div class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351">I asked for the gazette article that was never provided. I am not disagreeing with abbreviation. I am asking what source we use as the federal provincial and municipal do no match. I assume you know this reading the sources I provided you.</div><div class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"><br clear="none" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"></div><div class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351">The correct answer could have been we use federal sources only not provincial or municipal. And that is a perfectly fine answer. I expect the wiki to reflect this. I would also expect it to be clear on items we don’t have federal documents for and how those names should be handled.<br clear="none" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"><div id="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351yqt96243" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351yqt0745267953"><div><br clear="none" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"><blockquote type="cite" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"><div class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351">On Dec 15, 2022, at 9:38 AM, Martin Chalifoux <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:martin.chalifoux@icloud.com" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">martin.chalifoux@icloud.com</a>> wrote:</div><br clear="none" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div><div id="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351yqt70843" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351yqt0745267953"><div><div class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351">If this helps. And I think Pierre in his post provided links to databases that provide non-abbreviated names for Alberta.<div class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"><br clear="none" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"></div><div class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"><span style="display:block;margin-bottom:0.6em;font-family:-apple-system;font-size:10.92px;" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351x_xh0 ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351hg"><span style="font-size:18.564001px;line-height:27.846001px;" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351hw">abbreviation </span><span style="display:inline-block;font-size:13.104px;line-height:17.0352px;margin-left:0.4em;margin-right:0.4em;" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351prx">| <span class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351ph">əˌbriːvɪˈeɪʃn</span> | </span></span><span style="margin-top:0.6em;font-family:-apple-system;font-size:10.92px;" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351sg"><span id="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351m_en_gbus0001190.004" style="display:block;margin-top:0.3em;margin-bottom:2em;margin-left:1em;" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351se1 ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351x_xd0"><span style="display:block;margin-bottom:0.5em;font-size:13.104px;line-height:15.7248px;" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351x_xdh ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351posg"><span class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351pos"><span style="margin-right:0.3em;" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351gp ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351tg_pos">noun </span></span></span><span id="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351m_en_gbus0001190.005" style="display:block;margin-top:0.3em;margin-bottom:0.7em;margin-left:0em;" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351msDict ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351x_xd1 ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351t_core"><span class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351df">a shortened form of a word or phrase</span><span class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351tg_df ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351gp">: </span><span class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351eg"><span style="font-style:italic;" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351ex">the chemical symbol Ag is an abbreviation of the Latin word for silver, argentum</span><span class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351tg_eg ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351gp"> | </span></span><span class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351eg"><span style="font-style:italic;" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351ex">use simple words and no abbreviations</span><span class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351tg_eg ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351gp">. </span></span><span class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351gp ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351tg_msDict"></span></span><span id="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351m_en_gbus0001190.008" style="display:block;margin-top:0.3em;margin-bottom:0.7em;margin-left:1em;text-indent:0em;" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351hasSn ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351t_subsense ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351msDict ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351x_xd1"><span style="font-weight:600;margin-right:0em;" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351sn ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351gp ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351tg_msDict">• </span><span style="font-style:italic;font-size:10.2648px;" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351gg"><span class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351tg_gg ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351gp">[</span><span class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351sy">mass noun</span><span class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351tg_gg ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351gp">] </span></span><span class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351df">the process of abbreviating something</span><span class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351tg_df ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351gp">: </span><span class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351eg"><span style="font-style:italic;" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351ex">nursing records must be written without abbreviation</span><span class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351tg_eg ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351gp">. </span></span></span></span><span class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351tg_sg ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351gp"></span></span><span style="display:block;margin-top:1em;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0em;font-family:-apple-system;font-size:10.92px;" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351etym ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351x_xo0"><span style="font-size:9.828px;display:block;padding-bottom:0.3em;border-bottom-width:thin;border-bottom-style:solid;margin-top:2em;margin-bottom:0.5em;" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351x_xoLblBlk ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351ty_label ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351tg_etym ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351gp">ORIGIN </span><span style="display:block;margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em;margin-left:1em;" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351x_xo1"><span class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351dg">late Middle English</span>: from <span class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351la">Anglo-Norman French </span><span style="font-style:italic;font-weight:600;" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351ff">abreviation</span>, from <span class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351la">ecclesiastical Latin </span><span style="font-style:italic;font-weight:600;" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351ff">abbreviatio(n-)</span>, from the verb <span style="font-style:italic;font-weight:600;" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351ff">abbreviare </span>(see <span class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351xrg"><span class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351xr"><a shape="rect" title="abbreviate" style="text-decoration:none;" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351">abbreviate</a></span></span>)<span class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351tg_etym ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351gp">.</span></span><span style="display:block;margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em;margin-left:1em;" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351x_xo1"><span class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351tg_etym ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351gp"><br clear="none" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"></span></span><span style="display:block;margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em;margin-left:1em;" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351x_xo1"><span class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351tg_etym ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351gp"><br clear="none" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"></span></span><span style="display:block;margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em;margin-left:1em;" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351x_xo1"><span class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351tg_etym ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351gp"></span></span></span><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351">From Pierre B’eland Post:</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351">____________________</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351">Permettez-moi de revenir sur le sujet des répertoires de données officielles au Canada. J'ai pris le temps de télécharger les données pour l'Alberta et j'y constate que les noms sont écrits sans abbréviation ie. South-East, South-West et non SE, SW.</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351">(voir liens NRN plus bas).</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"><br clear="none" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351">Les données officielles sont collectées par les provinces et territoires. Le gouvernement fédéral y ajoute de données fédérales telles que Pacs nationaux. <br clear="none" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"><br clear="none" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"><div dir="ltr" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351">La Commission de toponymie du Canada - Geographical Names Board of Canada gère ces données. Cette Commission comprend des représentants des provinces et territoires et ministères fédéraux.</div><div dir="ltr" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"><a shape="rect" href="https://www.rncan.gc.ca/sciences-de-la-terre/geographie/commission-de-toponymie-du-canada/11085" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.rncan.gc.ca/sciences-de-la-terre/geographie/commission-de-toponymie-du-canada/11085</a><br clear="none" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"></div><div dir="ltr" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"><a shape="rect" href="https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/earth-sciences/geography/geographical-names-board-canada/11084" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/earth-sciences/geography/geographical-names-board-canada/11084</a><br clear="none" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"></div><div dir="ltr" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"> </div><div dir="ltr" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351">De là des répertoires sont disponibles notamment sur le site des données ouvertes du Canada.</div><div dir="ltr" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351">Voici deux grands répertoires de données vectorielles qui nous intéressent</div><div dir="ltr" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"><br clear="none" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"></div></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351">1. Noms de lieux - Toponymes du Canada - Geographical names in Canada</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351">FR <a shape="rect" href="https://www.rncan.gc.ca/cartes-outils-et-publications/cartes/toponymes-canada/10804" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.rncan.gc.ca/cartes-outils-et-publications/cartes/toponymes-canada/10804</a></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351">EN <a shape="rect" href="https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/maps-tools-and-publications/maps/geographical-names-canada/10786" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/maps-tools-and-publications/maps/geographical-names-canada/10786</a></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"><br clear="none" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class="ydped6ae48cyiv1578454262ydp5163cc92yiv7549946351">2. 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