<!DOCTYPE html><html><head><title></title><style type="text/css">p.MsoNormal,p.MsoNoSpacing{margin:0}</style></head><body><div>Hello everyone,<br></div><div><br></div><div>I am pretty astounded by the suggestion here.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Is the suggestion seriously to use a dataset put together by the federal government to override provincial and local norms, because some non-local mappers 3000 km away think that's more correct?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Can anyone think of community issues, political issues, or for that matter even practical issues with this suggestion?<br></div><div><br></div><div>I went to spot-check and it took me a couple of minutes to find an area of Montréal where NRN linked by Pierre is different from data we have in OSM. You can see <a href="https://search.open.canada.ca/openmap/3d282116-e556-400c-9306-ca1a3cada77f">https://search.open.canada.ca/openmap/3d282116-e556-400c-9306-ca1a3cada77f</a> to use a web viewer and zoom in on area of boulevard Pie-IX and rue Jarry Est. The NRN web view shows names like "Av 25e" and "Rue 39e". My JOSM's "Geobase Roads - French" layer similarly shows "Avenue 25e" and "Rue 39e" for these streets. OSM has "39e Rue" and "25e Avenue". I spot-checked a town in <span class="mw-page-title-main">Lanaudière</span> and found the same format difference.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Will you change the names of these Montréal streets because NRN says so?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Or is the suggestion that NRN is good enough to tell Calgarians that "NW" must be written out "Northwest", but not good enough to tell Montréalers how to name numbered streets?</div><div><br></div><div>The hang-up seems to be about abbreviations and OSM's policy of avoiding them. No policy can be applied blindly. Every policy has areas where locals believe it doesn't apply. I will again bring up the example of the UK town St Ives. It's pronounced "saint" and it is accepted that the town is in fact named after a saint. But the name in OSM is St Ives. Because the name of the town is St Ives. Because that's what the people there think the name is.<br></div><div><br></div><div>--Jarek<br></div><div>(a mapper in southern Ontario)<br></div><div><br></div><div>On Thu, Dec 15, 2022, at 11:49, Pierre Béland via Talk-ca wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="qt" style=""><div class="qt-ydpb13372afyahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div><div dir="ltr">NRN Alberta, Voir<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="https://open.canada.ca/data/en/dataset/3d282116-e556-400c-9306-ca1a3cada77f" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://open.canada.ca/data/en/dataset/3d282116-e556-400c-9306-ca1a3cada77f</a><br></div><div class="qt-ydpb13372afsignature"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 191);"><b><i> <br><span class="font" style="font-family:garamond, new york, times, serif;">Pierre </span></i></b></span></div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div id="qt-ydp73039afcyahoo_quoted_1988138380" class="qt-ydp73039afcyahoo_quoted"><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(38, 40, 42);"><div>Le jeudi 15 décembre 2022 à 11 h 43 min 30 s UTC−5, Iain Ingram <iain@monkeyface.ca> a écrit :<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div id="qt-ydp73039afcyiv2416616553"><div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I have provided the survey act of Alberta and the ATS. Please provide your comments on those sources.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Please provide your source. I also looked at your resource Canada link and could not find the gazette article for Alberta you can send me the link to the article I would appreciate reading it.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Dec 15, 2022, at 9:38 AM, Pierre Béland <pierzenh@yahoo.fr> wrote:<br></div></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class="qt-ydp73039afcyiv2416616553ydp11591befyahoo-style-wrap"><div><div dir="ltr">Iain,<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">C'est moi qui ai observé cela en regardant la carte de Calgary. Confirmes-tu que Calgary est implicitement divisée en quadrants Northwest, Northeast, Southeast, Southwest et dans ces sections le suffixe correspondant au cadran ajouté systématiquement au nom de rue ? Sinon, peux-tu nous démontrer le contraire ?<br></div><div class="qt-ydp73039afcyiv2416616553ydp11591befsignature"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 191);"><b><i> <br><span class="font" style="font-family:garamond, new york, times, serif;">Pierre </span></i></b></span></div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div id="qt-ydp73039afcyiv2416616553ydp9c950767yahoo_quoted_1924154119" class="qt-ydp73039afcyiv2416616553ydp9c950767yahoo_quoted"><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(38, 40, 42);"><div>Le jeudi 15 décembre 2022 à 11 h 16 min 38 s UTC−5, Iain Ingram <iain@monkeyface.ca> a écrit :<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Martin,<br></div><div><br></div><div>As you and others have seen no valid arguments can you please provide any documentation that Alberta uses a cardinal system for naming? I fully agree that in areas that use abbreviation it should be expanded. Now I ask for something that supports that these names are actually abbreviated. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Further to that I would also like the guidance around expanding legal land as that is how you add addresses to rural areas. If these are to be expanded or not?<br></div><div><br></div><div>This is a large change to Alberta and it extends more than just a display name or expanding an abbreviation. Because that is not actually what we are doing we are changing the name. I do support no abbreviations but I would like to see the support that these are abbreviations. I have provided that they are not and no comments back. I could be mistaken.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Iain<br></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div><div>_______________________________________________<br></div><div>Talk-ca mailing list<br></div><div><a href="mailto:Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org">Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org</a><br></div><div><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca</a><br></div><div><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div></body></html>