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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">Je n'ai p</span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">ersonnellement pas d'usage de ces données mais le message de Growebis a attisé ma curiosité et
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">Mon idée était de lui éviter de retracer à la main sur de l'imagerie aérienne les contours de bâtiments s'ils sont déjà existants dans une base utilisable et qu'il "suffit" de les copier/coller.</span></div>
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<div style="font-size:12pt" class="ContentPasted0"><span class="ContentPasted3" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">Je pensais plutôt à une intégration validée manuellement plutôt qu'un import global automatique.
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">La couche "TOIT" des bâtiments 2D de la ville de Montréal que j'avais trouvé me semblait permettre cela mais si elle est obsolète (2016) il vaut mieux bien sûr partir
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="ContentPasted5">à propos du "rôle foncier du Québec", e</span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">st-ce
de ceci dont tu parlais ? </span><span class="ContentPasted0"><a href="https://www.donneesquebec.ca/recherche/dataset/referentiel_bati" class="ContentPasted2 ContentPasted1"><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">https://www.donneesquebec.ca/recherche/dataset/referentiel_bati</span></a></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="ContentPasted0 ContentPasted2 ContentPasted4">On pourrait s'y restreindre aux bâtiments en version = NC-1 qui ont été contrôlé.<br>
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<span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="ContentPasted0 ContentPasted2 ContentPasted4">Je n'y trouve pas de données sur le nombre d'étage des bâtiments.
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<span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="ContentPasted0 ContentPasted2">Si ce sont des données qui vont être publiées prochainement, il vaut effectivement mieux attendre pour intégrer directement
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I personally have no use for this data but Growebis' message made me curious and I wondered how to facilitate the tedious work he/she would start.
<div class="ContentPasted6">My idea was to avoid him/her to trace by hand on aerial imagery the outlines of buildings if they already exist in a usable database and it is "good enough" to copy/paste them.</div>
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<div class="ContentPasted6">I was thinking more of a manually validated integration rather than an automatic global import.</div>
<div class="ContentPasted6">So the control of duplicates/overlaps would be done visually, which also allows to specify the type of building, to redraw if necessary for terraced houses etc.</div>
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<div class="ContentPasted6">The "TOIT" layer of the 2D buildings of the city of Montreal that I found seemed to allow this but if it is obsolete (2016) it is better to use the most recent data.</div>
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<div class="ContentPasted6">One could restrict oneself to the buildings in version = NC-1 which were controlled.</div>
<div class="ContentPasted6">I can't find any data on the number of levels of buildings.</div>
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<b>Envoyé :</b> vendredi 5 mai 2023 20:03<br>
<b>À :</b> Talk-CA OpenStreetMap <talk-ca@openstreetmap.org><br>
<b>Cc :</b> benoit dietz <benoitdd_OSM@outlook.com><br>
<b>Objet :</b> Re: [Talk-ca] Importer bâtiments de Montréal/Import buildings in Montréal</font>
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<div class="" style="word-wrap:break-word; line-break:after-white-space">Nous avons déjà tracé des milliers de bâtiments dans la région de Montréal. Comment allez-vous détecter les doublons et les superpositions? Aussi, les données de bâtiments sont souvent
approximatives. Même si c’est beaucoup plus long de les tracer à la main, c’est beaucopu plus fiable et ça permet du même coup de mettre des tags pertinents au lieu de seulement building=yes.
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<div class="">Dans le rôle foncier du Québec qui est disponible en données ouvertes depuis 2022, il est possible d’obtenir la superficie d’étages et le nombre maximal d’étage de la grande majorité des bâtiments. Ces données sont souvent plus utiles que le tracé
approximatif du bâtiment au sol, qui ne dit rien sur sa hauteur, les étages ou la superficie habitable.</div>
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<div class="">Je vous dirais d’attendre et en attendant, expliquer le genre d’analyse que vous désirez faire avec ces polygones.</div>
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<div class="">We have already traced thousands of buildings in the Montreal area. How will you detect duplicates and overlaps? Also, building data from city opendata is often approximate. Even if it takes much longer to draw them by hand, it is much more reliable
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<div class="">In the quebec land role, which has been available in open data since 2022, it is possible to obtain the floor area and the maximum number of levels for the vast majority of buildings. This data is often more useful than the approximate outline
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<div class="">I would tell you to wait and in the meantime, explain the kind of analysis you want to do with these polygons.</div>
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<span class="" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:10pt">Suite au message de<span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Growebis" data-auth="NotApplicable" title="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Growebis" id="LPlnk179680" class=""><span class="" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:10pt">Growebis</span></a><span class="" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:10pt"><span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span>dans
les journaux des utilisateurs </span><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Growebis/diary/401396" data-auth="NotApplicable" title="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Growebis/diary/401396" id="LPlnk946237" class=""><span class="" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:10pt">Can
i get some help with adding these damn buildings in Montreal?</span></a><span class="" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:10pt"><span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span>, j'ai fait un test d'import des données disponible sur l'opendata
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<div class="" style="margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px"><span class="" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:10pt">D</span><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Montr%C3%A9al/Imports/Ville_de_Montr%C3%A9al" data-auth="NotApplicable" title="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Montr%C3%A9al/Imports/Ville_de_Montr%C3%A9al" id="LPlnk414800" class=""><span class="" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:10pt">'après
ce lien du wiki</span></a><span class="" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:10pt">, on peut utiliser ces données pour les importer dans OSM.</span></div>
<div class="" style="margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px"><span class="" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:10pt">J'en appelle donc à la communauté locale pour savoir si on peut préparer un import ?</span></div>
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sur ce lien</span></a></span><span class="x_x_ContentPasted4" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:10pt"><span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span>une proposition de méthodologie (à intégrer au wiki par la suite ?), il faudra aussi
mettre à jour le wiki avec les données actuelles :<span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="x_x_ContentPasted4" style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Montr%C3%A9al/Imports/Cartographie_num%C3%A9rique_de_base" data-auth="NotApplicable" id="LPlnk586194" class=""><span class="" style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Montr%C3%A9al/Imports/Cartographie_num%C3%A9rique_de_base</span></a></span><span class="x_x_ContentPasted4" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:10pt"><span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="x_x_ContentPasted4" style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br class="">
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<div class="" style="margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px"><span class="" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:10pt">Quelle source indiquer<span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:10pt">sur
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<div class=""><span class="" style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">Following the message from<span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Growebis" data-auth="NotApplicable" title="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Growebis" class=""><span class="" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:10pt">Growebis</span></a><span class="" style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif"></span><span class="" style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span>in
their user diary<span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:10pt"> </span><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Growebis/diary/401396" data-auth="NotApplicable" title="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Growebis/diary/401396" class=""><span class="" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:10pt">Can
i get some help with adding these damn buildings in Montreal?</span></a><span class="" style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif"></span><span class="" style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span>I
made a test of importing the data available on the city's opendata:<span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://donnees.montreal.ca/dataset/batiment-2d" data-auth="NotApplicable" id="LPlnk557490" class=""><span class="" style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">https://donnees.montreal.ca/dataset/batiment-2d</span></a><span class="" style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span>which
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<div class=""><span class="" style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">According to<span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Montr%C3%A9al/Imports/Ville_de_Montr%C3%A9al" data-auth="NotApplicable" title="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Montr%C3%A9al/Imports/Ville_de_Montr%C3%A9al" id="LPlnk497790" class=""><span class="" style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">this
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<div class=""><span class="" style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">So I call on the local community to know if we can start working on the import ?</span></div>
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