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</head><body text="#000000">I suggest you either use data from the
Federal Government or Stats Canada open data portals or double check the
license. I assume you know the process for an import? If not someone
can point you in the right direction.<br>
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Cheerio John<br>
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<span>Stephen Bosch wrote on 7/4/2023 7:15 PM:</span><br>
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cite="mid:6af127fe-9e1e-af5a-369a-c36f27ce9391@vodacomm.ca">Hi Justin,
thanks for this.
<br>
<br>
Maybe the best thing for me to do is to try to do an import of one
(gotta start small) of these problematic neighbourhoods in Calgary,
perhaps with the help of your tool, just to learn what's involved (I've
never contributed to OSM before).
<br>
<br>
Stephen
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Am 04.07.23 um 23:40 schrieb Justin Tracey:
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<blockquote type="cite">It's a combination of licensing issues and the
difficulty of getting
consensus for imports.
<br>
<br>The former is a problem of each source of data (municipality, city,
province, quango) typically deciding their lawyers have to make minor
tweaks to the wording, which means it's no longer the same license as
any of the approved ones, so must go through the whole LWG approval
process again. The easiest way to work around this in most cases is
getting explicit written consent from the source for use with OSM. See:
<br><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Getting_permission">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Getting_permission</a>
<br>
<br>The latter is a problem of buy-in from the community. Large-scale
building imports have been discussed numerous times, with varying
degrees of success (e.g., Toronto's building import seems to be
complete). The most recent of these discussions is, I believe, this one,
which has been silent for a few years now:
<br><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada_-_The_Open_Database_of_Buildings">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada_-_The_Open_Database_of_Buildings</a>
<br>
<br>Since then, there has been an address data export from the
government of
Canada under an approved license, but I don't believe anyone has
proposed a full data import. The closest I know of is this tool I made
to use the data as a source, not as an automated import (it's currently
targeted at Waterloo Region, but I designed it to be easy to reuse
anywhere covered in the StatCan data):
<br><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/jtracey/WaterlooRegionAddresses">https://github.com/jtracey/WaterlooRegionAddresses</a>
<br>
<br> - Justin
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<br>On 2023-07-04 17:13, Stephen Bosch wrote:
<br><blockquote type="cite">Hi everybody, bonjour -
<br>
<br>I live in Germany and I use OSM on a daily basis for address
look-ups
and navigation. I've got the OSM+ app on my phone and it works very
well. In fact, the OSM maps are often better than Google Maps.
<br>
<br>When I'm back in Canada (Calgary, mostly), it is practically
unusable.
The most obvious weakness is that buildings are often unnumbered or
missing entirely, so simple address look-ups fail. For a dramatic
example of this, have a look at the Capitol Hill neighbourhood in
Calgary:
<br>
<br><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/106980291#map=17/51.07172/-114.10028">https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/106980291#map=17/51.07172/-114.10028</a>
<br>
<br>While it's true that there is a large community of contributors in
Germany, the main reason the OSM maps are so good there is that states
and municipalities share rich geodata freely, with some even actively
contributing to OSM. Many public services rely on OSM data, so it's in
their interest that it be of high quality.
<br>
<br>The City of Calgary seems to have an open data policy:
<br>
<br><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m32hxV8md4c">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m32hxV8md4c</a>
<br>
<br><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.calgary.ca/service-lines/2023-2026-city-services/data-analytics-information-access.html">https://www.calgary.ca/service-lines/2023-2026-city-services/data-analytics-information-access.html</a>
<br>
<br><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://data.calgary.ca/">https://data.calgary.ca/</a>
<br>
<br>so I would expect the same to apply there. For example, there is a
2D
buildings map for Calgary that seems to be complete:
<br>
<br><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://data.calgary.ca/Base-Maps/2D-Buildings-Map/h98y-bpv6">https://data.calgary.ca/Base-Maps/2D-Buildings-Map/h98y-bpv6</a>
<br>
<br>Here's a 3D LIDAR-derived map:
<br>
<br><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mapgallery.calgary.ca/apps/bcd22e7089a440e792628ac61f35f4c1/explore">https://mapgallery.calgary.ca/apps/bcd22e7089a440e792628ac61f35f4c1/explore</a>
<br>
<br>In short, the public data appear to be available. Why aren't they in
OSM? Is this a licence problem?
<br>
<br>Kind regards
<br>
<br>Stephen Bosch
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