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Take care about Québec guys, their CC 4.0 license is not acceptable according to OSM license working group.
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 4, 2023 8:15:36 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Justin Tracey <j3tracey@gmail.com>; talk-ca@openstreetmap.org <talk-ca@openstreetmap.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Talk-ca] State of OSM maps in Calgary - comparison with Germany</font>
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<div class="PlainText">Hi Justin, thanks for this.<br>
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Maybe the best thing for me to do is to try to do an import of one <br>
(gotta start small) of these problematic neighbourhoods in Calgary, <br>
perhaps with the help of your tool, just to learn what's involved (I've <br>
never contributed to OSM before).<br>
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Stephen<br>
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Am 04.07.23 um 23:40 schrieb Justin Tracey:<br>
> It's a combination of licensing issues and the difficulty of getting <br>
> consensus for imports.<br>
> <br>
> The former is a problem of each source of data (municipality, city, <br>
> province, quango) typically deciding their lawyers have to make minor <br>
> tweaks to the wording, which means it's no longer the same license as <br>
> any of the approved ones, so must go through the whole LWG approval <br>
> process again. The easiest way to work around this in most cases is <br>
> getting explicit written consent from the source for use with OSM. See:<br>
> <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Getting_permission">https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.openstreetmap.org%2Fwiki%2FImport%2FGetting_permission&data=05%7C01%7C%7C954248f5da3e4b6f3cbc08db7ce500b1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638241095243952845%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Mgack8Chp03Yqb4GC3SOMcirWvzRu%2BJfDOkF%2Bp3rqdM%3D&reserved=0</a><br>
> <br>
> The latter is a problem of buy-in from the community. Large-scale <br>
> building imports have been discussed numerous times, with varying <br>
> degrees of success (e.g., Toronto's building import seems to be <br>
> complete). The most recent of these discussions is, I believe, this one, <br>
> which has been silent for a few years now:<br>
> <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada_-_The_Open_Database_of_Buildings">
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.openstreetmap.org%2Fwiki%2FCanada_-_The_Open_Database_of_Buildings&data=05%7C01%7C%7C954248f5da3e4b6f3cbc08db7ce500b1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638241095243952845%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=uSH6Aa26B%2BvDpp42zlgHdFuAf2n8aKBEtaOJpzO8hGY%3D&reserved=0</a><br>
> <br>
> Since then, there has been an address data export from the government of <br>
> Canada under an approved license, but I don't believe anyone has <br>
> proposed a full data import. The closest I know of is this tool I made <br>
> to use the data as a source, not as an automated import (it's currently <br>
> targeted at Waterloo Region, but I designed it to be easy to reuse <br>
> anywhere covered in the StatCan data):<br>
> <a href="https://github.com/jtracey/WaterlooRegionAddresses">https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fjtracey%2FWaterlooRegionAddresses&data=05%7C01%7C%7C954248f5da3e4b6f3cbc08db7ce500b1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638241095243952845%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=kmWyknM%2BVsr5rXHOdRYxRP5Pr0RlOFFCEGoU60aK%2BOs%3D&reserved=0</a><br>
> <br>
> - Justin<br>
> <br>
> On 2023-07-04 17:13, Stephen Bosch wrote:<br>
>> Hi everybody, bonjour -<br>
>><br>
>> I live in Germany and I use OSM on a daily basis for address look-ups <br>
>> and navigation. I've got the OSM+ app on my phone and it works very <br>
>> well. In fact, the OSM maps are often better than Google Maps.<br>
>><br>
>> When I'm back in Canada (Calgary, mostly), it is practically unusable. <br>
>> The most obvious weakness is that buildings are often unnumbered or <br>
>> missing entirely, so simple address look-ups fail. For a dramatic <br>
>> example of this, have a look at the Capitol Hill neighbourhood in <br>
>> Calgary:<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/106980291#map=17/51.07172/-114.10028">
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openstreetmap.org%2Fnode%2F106980291%23map%3D17%2F51.07172%2F-114.10028&data=05%7C01%7C%7C954248f5da3e4b6f3cbc08db7ce500b1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638241095243952845%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=7KbILNoAR%2BlW2S3vfQvUIDE9n5tLEz7tDdf1JzV9MAM%3D&reserved=0</a><br>
>><br>
>> While it's true that there is a large community of contributors in <br>
>> Germany, the main reason the OSM maps are so good there is that states <br>
>> and municipalities share rich geodata freely, with some even actively <br>
>> contributing to OSM. Many public services rely on OSM data, so it's in <br>
>> their interest that it be of high quality.<br>
>><br>
>> The City of Calgary seems to have an open data policy:<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m32hxV8md4c">https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dm32hxV8md4c&data=05%7C01%7C%7C954248f5da3e4b6f3cbc08db7ce500b1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638241095243952845%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=kK5%2BxaY7ddwwiQrG1nQ3W3vopCbv1Q1l55KqaEHlqj0%3D&reserved=0</a><br>
>><br>
>> <a href="https://www.calgary.ca/service-lines/2023-2026-city-services/data-analytics-information-access.html">
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.calgary.ca%2Fservice-lines%2F2023-2026-city-services%2Fdata-analytics-information-access.html&data=05%7C01%7C%7C954248f5da3e4b6f3cbc08db7ce500b1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638241095243952845%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=vwZhRRs3dpqiQt5NUqJkhWw4LNCxiMSb9o8EUmBBufQ%3D&reserved=0</a><br>
>><br>
>> <a href="https://data.calgary.ca/">https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdata.calgary.ca%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7C954248f5da3e4b6f3cbc08db7ce500b1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638241095243952845%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=lGtqhxppbtzfgEsoPF2DaRwVk%2Bz9BadJ3EjKg22%2F8zU%3D&reserved=0</a><br>
>><br>
>> so I would expect the same to apply there. For example, there is a 2D <br>
>> buildings map for Calgary that seems to be complete:<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="https://data.calgary.ca/Base-Maps/2D-Buildings-Map/h98y-bpv6">https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdata.calgary.ca%2FBase-Maps%2F2D-Buildings-Map%2Fh98y-bpv6&data=05%7C01%7C%7C954248f5da3e4b6f3cbc08db7ce500b1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638241095243952845%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=sFneMA1Pnj1kfHzogdTGSwxd0N%2Bh7tfOSDUNZphqihU%3D&reserved=0</a><br>
>><br>
>> Here's a 3D LIDAR-derived map:<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="https://mapgallery.calgary.ca/apps/bcd22e7089a440e792628ac61f35f4c1/explore">
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmapgallery.calgary.ca%2Fapps%2Fbcd22e7089a440e792628ac61f35f4c1%2Fexplore&data=05%7C01%7C%7C954248f5da3e4b6f3cbc08db7ce500b1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638241095243952845%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=02jYnqYQchzL0UX653jlezRQ7%2FsqUHBizr41fcX2sFo%3D&reserved=0</a><br>
>><br>
>> In short, the public data appear to be available. Why aren't they in <br>
>> OSM? Is this a licence problem?<br>
>><br>
>> Kind regards<br>
>><br>
>> Stephen Bosch<br>
>><br>
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