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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Bonjour à tous,<br>
<br>
Je viens de vérifier le positionnement des nœuds sur la rue du
Verger à Cesson-Sévigné.<br>
Le numéro 9 est positionné sur la rue du Verger alors que la boite
à lettres (ainsi que les entrées) sont sur la rue de Caderoc ...<br>
<br>
Dans le cas de pavillons, j'ai beaucoup de numéros codés ainsi:<br>
<way id="81784031"><br>
<nd ref="952437729"/><br>
<nd ref="952694751"/><br>
<nd ref="952732609"/><br>
<nd ref="952632954"/><br>
<nd ref="952604359"/><br>
<nd ref="952673140"/><br>
<nd ref="952651926"/><br>
<nd ref="952684850"/><br>
<nd ref="952437729"/><br>
<tag k="addr:housenumber" v="4"/><br>
<tag k="addr:street" v="Rue du Réage"/><br>
<tag k="building" v="yes"/><br>
<tag k="source" v="cadastre-dgi-fr source : Direction
Générale des Impôts - Cadastre. Mise à jour : 2010"/><br>
</way><br>
<br>
Le 15/05/2013 14:34, REBOUX Maël a écrit :<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Je
commente ma propre proposition à la lecture de <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ref">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ref</a>
et <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:source">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:source</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">addr:housenumber
= 8<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">ref:FR:rennesmetropole
= 78994<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">->
Se justifie en tant que référence à un référentiel, local
pour le coup<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">addr:housenumber
= 8<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">ref
= 78994<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">source:addr:housenumber
= Rennes Métropole<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">source:ref
= Rennes Métropole<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">source:data
= Rennes Métropole<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">->
semble fonctionner aussi : le tag source permet de venir
préciser les sources des différents éléments descriptifs.
Ici ça veut dire que la position, le numéro et le « ID »
proviennent de Rennes Métropole. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Avantage :
ça ne crée pas de tag spécifique pour Rennes Métropole.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Inconvénient :
c’est (bcp) plus verbeux pour le coup.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">A
Nantes :<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">addr:housenumber
= 8<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">addr:postcode
= 44000<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">source
= Nantes Métropole 11/2011<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">De :</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
REBOUX Maël [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:m.reboux@agglo-rennesmetropole.fr">mailto:m.reboux@agglo-rennesmetropole.fr</a>] <br>
<b>Envoyé :</b> mercredi 15 mai 2013 11:57<br>
<b>À :</b> This list concerns OSM users working on
Brittany (BzH))<br>
<b>Objet :</b> Re: [OSM-talk-fr-bzh] relation correcte
ou pas?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Bonjour,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">-----Message
d'origine-----<br>
De : Florent Monnier [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:monnier.florent@gmail.com">mailto:monnier.florent@gmail.com</a>]
<br>
Envoyé : mardi 14 mai 2013 23:30<br>
À : OSM users in Brittany<br>
Objet : Re: [OSM-talk-fr-bzh] relation correcte ou pas?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">>
Sinon, je ne suis pas très fan de la position des nœuds de
chaque <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">>
point adresse. Idéalement, si on cherche à se rapprocher
des normes <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">>
cadastrales, le nœud est positionné à l'emplacement de la
boite aux lettres cf.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">>C'est
le cas, les données de Rennes Métropole localisent les
boîtes à lettre.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">>(Ils
fournissent même l'orientation en degré et en radian.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Oui
et non : la valeur de placement des adresses est plus
variables que ça.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">En
gros ça correspond à des entrées de parcelles ou de
bâtiment plus qu'à des placements de boîtes à lettre.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Mais
dans la terminologie INSPIRE (GeometrySpecificationValue)
je ventilerai effectivement ça entre postalDelivery,
entrance, building, parcel.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Concrètement,
on peut avoir :<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">-
un numéro "4" à l'entrée d'une parcelle abritant 3
immeubles => valeur = "parcel"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">-
3 numéros "4 A" "4 B" "4 C" à l'entrée de chaque immeuble
/ partie d'immeuble (on parle de cage d'escalier des fois)
=> valeur = "building"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">-
pour une maison standard de lotissement => valeur =
"postalDelivery"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Concernant
l'orientation des adresses, c'est destinée à faciliter
l'étiquetage sur des plans. Ci-dessous extrait du cahier
des charges : <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Ces
annotations seront orientées et placées en alignement le
long de la voie concernée (les adresses devront être<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">positionnées
de part et d’autre du tronçon de voie correspondant, à une
distance permettant de rattacher l’adresse à la voie<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">et
au bâtiment concernés).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Ces
annotations seront placées devant l’entrée du bâtiment
concerné (entrée de parking, allée d’entrée...), en limite
de<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">propriété
si les informations que le titulaire aura à sa disposition
le permettent.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">L’orientation
des annotations doit permettre une lecture de gauche à
droite (exemple ci-dessous).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><img
id="_x0000_i1025"
src="cid:part4.07040907.09050407@yahoo.fr" height="484"
width="495" border="0"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">>
Enfin à quoi correspond "source:addr:id", ce tag n'est pas
documenté <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">>
sur le wiki il me semble?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Effectivement,
l'idée m'en ai venue en lisant le message de gwen au sujet
des aires de jeux.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Il
s'agit de l'identifiant de l'élément dans la source.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Dans
la source des données fournies par Rennes Métropole,
chaque numéro d'adresse a un numéro d'identifiant unique.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Je
me disais qu'il serait plus facile d'assurer le suivit si
cet identifiant était conservé.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Or
effectivement je me suis demandé comment l'indiquer.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Le
faire de cette façon me paraissait le plus logique, mais
si c'est pas la bonne façon de le faire, dites le moi.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Proposition
d'un newbie : selon moi c'est le tag "ref" qui va mieux :
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ref">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ref</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Et
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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mutualisé Ville de Rennes / Rennes Métropole<br>
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