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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=FR link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Je commente ma propre proposition à la lecture de <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ref">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ref</a> et <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:source">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:source</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>addr:housenumber = 8<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>ref:FR:rennesmetropole = 78994<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-> Se justifie en tant que référence à un référentiel, local pour le coup<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>addr:housenumber = 8<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>ref = 78994<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>source:addr:housenumber = Rennes Métropole<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>source:ref = Rennes Métropole<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>source:data = Rennes Métropole<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-> semble fonctionner aussi : le tag source permet de venir préciser les sources des différents éléments descriptifs. Ici ça veut dire que la position, le numéro et le « ID » proviennent de Rennes Métropole. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Avantage : ça ne crée pas de tag spécifique pour Rennes Métropole.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Inconvénient : c’est (bcp) plus verbeux pour le coup.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>A Nantes :<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>addr:housenumber = 8<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>addr:postcode = 44000<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>source = Nantes Métropole 11/2011<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>De :</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> REBOUX Maël [mailto:m.reboux@agglo-rennesmetropole.fr] <br><b>Envoyé :</b> mercredi 15 mai 2013 11:57<br><b>À :</b> This list concerns OSM users working on Brittany (BzH))<br><b>Objet :</b> Re: [OSM-talk-fr-bzh] relation correcte ou pas?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Bonjour,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>-----Message d'origine-----<br>De : Florent Monnier [<a href="mailto:monnier.florent@gmail.com">mailto:monnier.florent@gmail.com</a>] <br>Envoyé : mardi 14 mai 2013 23:30<br>À : OSM users in Brittany<br>Objet : Re: [OSM-talk-fr-bzh] relation correcte ou pas?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>> Sinon, je ne suis pas très fan de la position des nœuds de chaque <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>> point adresse. Idéalement, si on cherche à se rapprocher des normes <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>> cadastrales, le nœud est positionné à l'emplacement de la boite aux lettres cf.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>>C'est le cas, les données de Rennes Métropole localisent les boîtes à lettre.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>>(Ils fournissent même l'orientation en degré et en radian.)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Oui et non : la valeur de placement des adresses est plus variables que ça.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>En gros ça correspond à des entrées de parcelles ou de bâtiment plus qu'à des placements de boîtes à lettre.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Mais dans la terminologie INSPIRE (GeometrySpecificationValue) je ventilerai effectivement ça entre postalDelivery, entrance, building, parcel.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Concrètement, on peut avoir :<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>- un numéro "4" à l'entrée d'une parcelle abritant 3 immeubles => valeur = "parcel"<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>- 3 numéros "4 A" "4 B" "4 C" à l'entrée de chaque immeuble / partie d'immeuble (on parle de cage d'escalier des fois) => valeur = "building"<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>- pour une maison standard de lotissement => valeur = "postalDelivery"<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Concernant l'orientation des adresses, c'est destinée à faciliter l'étiquetage sur des plans. Ci-dessous extrait du cahier des charges : <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Ces annotations seront orientées et placées en alignement le long de la voie concernée (les adresses devront être<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>positionnées de part et d’autre du tronçon de voie correspondant, à une distance permettant de rattacher l’adresse à la voie<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>et au bâtiment concernés).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Ces annotations seront placées devant l’entrée du bâtiment concerné (entrée de parking, allée d’entrée...), en limite de<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>propriété si les informations que le titulaire aura à sa disposition le permettent.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>L’orientation des annotations doit permettre une lecture de gauche à droite (exemple ci-dessous).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><img border=0 width=495 height=484 id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image001.jpg@01CE5177.A79CEB00"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>> Enfin à quoi correspond "source:addr:id", ce tag n'est pas documenté <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>> sur le wiki il me semble?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Effectivement, l'idée m'en ai venue en lisant le message de gwen au sujet des aires de jeux.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Il s'agit de l'identifiant de l'élément dans la source.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Dans la source des données fournies par Rennes Métropole, chaque numéro d'adresse a un numéro d'identifiant unique.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Je me disais qu'il serait plus facile d'assurer le suivit si cet identifiant était conservé.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Or effectivement je me suis demandé comment l'indiquer.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Le faire de cette façon me paraissait le plus logique, mais si c'est pas la bonne façon de le faire, dites le moi.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Proposition d'un newbie : selon moi c'est le tag "ref" qui va mieux : <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ref">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ref</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Et <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_France/Liste_des_r%C3%A9f%C3%A9rences_nationales">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_France/Liste_des_r%C3%A9f%C3%A9rences_nationales</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>=> ref:FR:rennesmetropole = 78994<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial Narrow","sans-serif"'>Maël REBOUX</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <br></span><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial Narrow","sans-serif"'>Service SIG mutualisé Ville de Rennes / Rennes Métropole<br>Chargé de mission "diffusion"</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> 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