<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>Le 28 févr. 10 à 14:37, sylvain letuffe a écrit :</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><blockquote type="cite">En effet je regarde coté INSEE direct pour la population, Wikipédia<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">par contre peut permettre de placer la série des "is_in" (Pays,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Région, Département, Arrondissement, Cantons)<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br></blockquote><br>Je te conseil de laisser tomber les is_in, c'est une relique osm du temps où<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>les relations boundary n'existaient pas.<br><br>Aujourd'hui, ces tag font doublon avec la logique spatiale des bases osm qui<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>permet de reconstruire les is_in par le fait que l'objet en question est<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>spatialement à l'intérieur de la surface qui décrit le pays, la région, ...<br></span></blockquote><div><br></div>OK je vais étudier cela.</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><blockquote type="cite">bien que pour les 2<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">derniers il ne semble pas y avoir véritable de niveau admin prévu ni<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">de "is_in"...<br></blockquote><br>Arrondissement si, cantons, c'est en discussion<br><a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:admin_level#admin_level">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:admin_level#admin_level</a><br>(10 pour les arrondissements des villes lyon, paris et marseille)<br></span></blockquote><div><br></div>Je parlais des arrondissements administratifs (1) ceux qui "remplacent" les anciennes "circonscriptions" il y a plus de 300 en France.<br>En France on trouve (2) :</div><div><br></div><div>France : admin_level=2</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Régions, 22 en métropole + 4 outre-mer : admin_level=4</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Départements (préfecture), 96 en métropole + 6 collectivités d'outre-mer : admin_level=6</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Arrondissements (sous-préfecture), 329</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Cantons (chef-lieu), 3 883</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Communes, 36 783 : admin_level=8</div><div><br></div><div>Il y a en outre les intercommunalités : communautés urbaines, communautés d'agglomérations, communautés de communes et syndicats d'agglomération nouvelle... : admin_level=7</div><div><br></div><div>Ensuite, en effet, Les 3 communes les plus peuplées (Paris, Marseille et Lyon) sont divisées elles-mêmes en arrondissements (admin_level=10) mais qui n'otn rien de communs (sauf le nom) avec les 329 autres...</div><div><br></div><div>(1) <a href="http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrondissement_français">http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrondissement_français</a></div><div>(2) <a href="http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Administration_territoriale_de_la_France">http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Administration_territoriale_de_la_France</a></div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><br><blockquote type="cite">Concernant certaines villes ma première "moulinette"<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Pour préciser, je ne compte pas faire de mise à jour automatique de<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">grande ampleur (je suis débutant) mais un outil pour repérer les<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">manques et compléter en passant par une analyse humaine bien sur.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Si j'avance suffisamment, je proposera ici même mon outil et lancera<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">une discussion, pour le moment c'est plus un test pour voir ce que<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">l'on peut faire.<br></blockquote><br>N'oublie pas de regarder ce que je fais déjà la magnifique outil<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><a href="http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr">http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr</a><br>pour éviter de refaire un boulot déjà fait</span></blockquote></div><div><br></div>Je vais jeter un oeil, mais mon petit outil est plus usage pédagogique pour moi je te rassure...<div><br><div apple-content-edited="true"> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; 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