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    Pour les pseudo-bancs (assis-debout, ou repose-fesses) aux arrêts de
    bus, je propose, sur le modèle de bench=yes, de créer  
    stand_up_bench=yes,  d'après l'appellation trouvée sur les sites de
    fabricants de matériel urbain.<br>
    Mais comment faire la proposition sur le wiki ? Je ne suis pas
    anglophone…<br>
    NB : je n'ai rien trouvé dans le wiki à ce sujet.<br>
    <br>
    Muselaar<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 12/07/2014 11:06, Francescu GAROBY a
      écrit :<br>
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cite="mid:CAHGeXqOWZ06ZLfsRvEurkEDVVWysDz++_zCfqSOOkdAGCRE=eg@mail.gmail.com"
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        <div>Je rejoins Paul Mallet, concernant le taggage différencié
          entre un banc (avec ou sans dossier) d'une part et un
          repose-fesses, plus inconfortable qu'autre chose souvent (car
          il faut rester debout, en extension sur les jambes, pour ne
          pas glisser) d'autre part.<br>
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        J'ignore cependant s'il existe déjà un tag/une valeur de tag
        pour désigner cela...<br>
        <br>
        Francescu<br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">Le 12 juillet 2014 11:01, Paul Mallet <span
            dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:contact@paulmallet.net" target="_blank">contact@paulmallet.net</a>></span>
          a écrit :<br>
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            <p dir="ltr">Ah et pour les pose fesses, pour moi il faut un
              tag particulier (ou une valeur ?), imaginez qu'une une
              personne âgée (ou pas) veuille choisir son arrêt en
              fonction de la présence d'un banc, et que lorsqu'elle
              arrive il n'y a que ce truc inutile ?</p>
            <div class="gmail_quote">Le 12 juil. 2014 10:58, "Paul
              Mallet" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:contact@paulmallet.net" target="_blank">contact@paulmallet.net</a>>
              a écrit :
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                    <p dir="ltr">Pour les terminus, il y a les rôles
                      stop_entry_only et stop_exit_only (et les rôles
                      platform correspondant)</p>
                    <p dir="ltr">Pour les stop_position ça ne me pose
                      pas de pbm que les noeuds des 2 sens soient
                      fusionnés si ils sont proches, a condition qu'il
                      soit présent dans les 2 relations.</p>
                    <p dir="ltr">Par contre c'est pour moi essentiel de
                      mettre a la fois les données de stop (sur la voie)
                      et de plateform (abribus) pour couvrir tous les
                      usages que l'on peut faire de ces données
                      (notamment la recherche ou l'optimisation
                      d'itinéraires, mais pas que...)</p>
                    <div class="gmail_quote">Le 12 juil. 2014 01:47,
                      "Jo" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:winfixit@gmail.com" target="_blank">winfixit@gmail.com</a>>
                      a écrit :<br type="attribution">
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                                    <div>Pour placer les arrêts je
                                      m'amuse également à chercher des:<br>
                                      <br>
                                    </div>
                                    /\/\/\/\ en France<br>
                                  </div>
                                  B U S en Belgique<br>
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                                ou les abris.<br>
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                              Si ce n'est pas possible j'essaye de les
                              placer le mieux que possible. Tous les
                              détails pertinents sont là, s'ils sont mal
                              placés il y aura certainement quelqu'un
                              avec les connaissances locales pour les
                              placer mieux dans les années qui viennent.<br>
                              <br>
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                            Jo<br>
                            <br>
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                          Pour les bancs, je ne sais pas. J'ai trouvé
                          très peu de poses-fesses jusqu'à présent.<br>
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                          <br>
                          <div class="gmail_quote">2014-07-12 1:16
                            GMT+02:00 Muselaar <span dir="ltr"><<a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:muselaar@ouvaton.org"
                                target="_blank">muselaar@ouvaton.org</a>></span>:<br>
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                              <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Ça,
                                c'est la classe…<br>
                                Quand je pense que je passe un temps non
                                négligeable à chercher d'après mes
                                photos où sont précisément les arrêts !<br>
                                Quelquefois, ce n'est pas évident de
                                retrouver la bonne maison sur Bing,
                                surtout dans les lotissements. Et je me
                                méfie des données de l'entreprise de
                                transport, j'ai déjà repéré quelques
                                erreurs d'emplacements d'arrêts (du
                                moins par rapport au calculateur
                                d'itinéraire proposé sur le site… qui
                                utilise pour cette fonction OSM : <a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="http://info.optymo.fr/votre-voyage/horaires-et-plans"
                                  target="_blank">http://info.optymo.fr/votre-voyage/horaires-et-plans</a>)<br>
                                <br>
                                Muselaar<br>
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                <div>Le 12/07/2014 01:03, Jo a écrit :<br>
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                                        <div>Personnellement, je
                                          n'ajoute pas les
                                          stop_position. Ils font déjà
                                          partie des chemins. Donc je
                                          n'ajoute que les
                                          public_transport=platform/highway=bus_stop,
                                          en ordre consécutive. Donc si
                                          le bus passe deux fois le même
                                          arrêt il est là 2 fois. Comme
                                          j'ai les données de 2 des 3
                                          entreprises de transport en
                                          Belgique à disposition, les
                                          relations route sont créées de
                                          façon automatique pour toutes
                                          les variations.<br>
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                                        Polyglot<br>
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                                      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                        <br>
                                        <div class="gmail_quote">2014-07-12
                                          0:54 GMT+02:00 Francescu
                                          GAROBY <span dir="ltr"><<a
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                                              href="mailto:windu.2b@gmail.com"
                                              target="_blank">windu.2b@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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                                            <div dir="ltr">'from' et 'to
                                              font partie des tags
                                              permettant d'enrichir la
                                              relation, au même titre
                                              que 'type', 'operator',
                                              ... Ce ne sont pas des
                                              rôles (les rôles sont
                                              associés aux éléments qui
                                              composent la relation).<br>
                                              <br>
                                              Quant à la complétion
                                              automatique, je ne crois
                                              pas qu'elle filtre sur les
                                              valeurs autorisées pour
                                              une relation donnée. Si tu
                                              tentes de taper un tag qui
                                              n'a rien à voir avec ta
                                              relation, tu verras que
                                              Josm te le propose quand
                                              même.<br>
                                              <br>
                                              Francescu<br>
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                                              <br>
                                              <div class="gmail_quote">Le
                                                12 juillet 2014 00:31,
                                                Muselaar <span
                                                  dir="ltr"><<a
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:muselaar@ouvaton.org" target="_blank">muselaar@ouvaton.org</a>></span>
                                                a écrit :
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                                                        En fait, j'ai
                                                        découvert la
                                                        valeur « start »
                                                        simplement par
                                                        le fait que
                                                        c'est ce qui est
                                                        proposé dans
                                                        l'éditeur de
                                                        relation quand
                                                        on commence à
                                                        taper « st ». Et
                                                        il faut toujours
                                                        ajouter le « o »
                                                        pour obtenir «
                                                        stop ».  Et puis
                                                        sur l'article :<br>
                                                        <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Public_Transport#Route_direction.2Fvariant"
target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Public_Transport#Route_direction.2Fvariant</a><br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        il y a :<br>
                                                        <br>
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cellspacing="0" width="100%">
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                                                          <tr>
                                                          <td><a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:from&action=edit&redlink=1"
                                                          title="Key:from
                                                          (page
                                                          inexistante)"
target="_blank">from</a> </td>
                                                          <td> <i>Initial
                                                          stop</i> </td>
                                                          <td> Initial
                                                          stop where the
                                                          variant
                                                          starts. </td>
                                                          <td>
                                                          recommended </td>
                                                          </tr>
                                                          <tr>
                                                          <td> <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:to&action=edit&redlink=1"
                                                          title="Key:to
                                                          (page
                                                          inexistante)"
target="_blank">to</a> </td>
                                                          <td> <i>Terminal
                                                          stop</i> </td>
                                                          <td> Terminal
                                                          stop where the
                                                          variant ends.
                                                          </td>
                                                          <td>
                                                          recommended </td>
                                                          </tr>
                                                          </tbody>
                                                        </table>
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                                                        Voilà, si
                                                        quelqu'un peut
                                                        donner plus
                                                        d'éclaircissements…
                                                        Il est vrai que
                                                        l'anglais n'est
                                                        pas mon point
                                                        fort.<br>
                                                        En attendant, je
                                                        laisse tout en «
                                                        stop ».<br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        Muselaar<br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        <div>Le
                                                          12/07/2014
                                                          00:16,
                                                          Francescu
                                                          GAROBY a
                                                          écrit :<br>
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                                                          <div>Bonsoir,<br>
                                                          Concernant les
                                                          start/end, je
                                                          découvre ces
                                                          valeurs
                                                          possibles.
                                                          Est-ce nouveau
                                                          ? Car je n'ai
                                                          pas souvenir
                                                          d'avoir lu
                                                          quoi que ce
                                                          soit à ce
                                                          sujet. Peux-tu
                                                          nous dire où
                                                          tu as vu ça ?<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Concernant le
                                                          stop_position
                                                          unique pour 2
                                                          arrêts en
                                                          (quasi) face à
                                                          face, c'est
                                                          aussi ce que
                                                          j'ai fait, sur
                                                          certains
                                                          arrêts de
                                                          l'agglomération
                                                          caennaise. Et
                                                          ce, pour les
                                                          mêmes raisons
                                                          que toi.<br>
                                                          Techniquement
                                                          parlant, je ne
                                                          vois pas
                                                          pourquoi ça
                                                          coincerait :
                                                          le point étant
                                                          sur la voie,
                                                          rien
                                                          n'indique, en
                                                          soi, s'il
                                                          appartient à
                                                          un sens de
                                                          circulation ou
                                                          à l'autre.
                                                          C'est son
                                                          association à
                                                          une relation,
                                                          voire à
                                                          plusieurs, qui
                                                          indique que ce
                                                          point est
                                                          utilisé dans
                                                          tel ou tel
                                                          sens de
                                                          circulation.<br>
                                                          <br>
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                                                          Francescu<br>
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                                                          <br>
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                                                          class="gmail_quote">Le
                                                          11 juillet
                                                          2014 23:46,
                                                          Muselaar <span
                                                          dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:muselaar@ouvaton.org"
                                                          target="_blank">muselaar@ouvaton.org</a>></span>
                                                          a écrit :<br>
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                                                          #ccc
                                                          solid;padding-left:1ex">Bonsoir,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Dans les
                                                          routes de bus,
                                                          faut-il
                                                          employer les
                                                          rôles start et
                                                          end, ou bien
                                                          uniquement
                                                          stop pour tous
                                                          les arrêts (y
                                                          compris les
                                                          arrêts de
                                                          départs et de
                                                          terminus) ?<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          2e question :
                                                          dans
                                                          l'application
                                                          du nouveau
                                                          shéma des
                                                          transports
                                                          publics, j'ai
                                                          pris l'option,
                                                          n'ayant pas
                                                          trouvé la
                                                          réponse sur le
                                                          wiki, de ne
                                                          garder qu'un
                                                          seul « stop
                                                          position »
                                                          (donc par un
                                                          nœud sur la
                                                          voie
                                                          elle-même)
                                                          lorsque les
                                                          arrêts des
                                                          deux sens sont
                                                          face à face.
                                                          Est-ce que
                                                          c'est
                                                          bien/acceptable/à
                                                          éviter/inacceptable
                                                          ?<br>
                                                          Mon avis,
                                                          c'est que
                                                          placer 2
                                                          stop-positions
                                                          différents à 5
                                                          ou 10 m l'un
                                                          de l'autre
                                                          (pour qu'ils
                                                          soient
                                                          exactement au
                                                          niveau du
                                                          conducteur),
                                                          surtout quand
                                                          les quais sont
                                                          quasiment au
                                                          même niveau de
                                                          la rue, et
                                                          donc les bus
                                                          des deux sens
                                                          sont l'un
                                                          contre
                                                          l'autre, c'est
                                                          une
                                                          complexification
                                                          sans intérêt.<br>
                                                          Mais j'ai des
                                                          doutes, et si
                                                          jamais l'avis
                                                          général était
                                                          contraire, je
                                                          rajouterai ces
                                                          nœuds
                                                          supplémentaires.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Muselaar<br>
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                                                          <br>
                                                          -- <br>
                                                          Cordialement,<br>
                                                          Francescu
                                                          GAROBY<br>
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