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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 09/11/2015 01:46, Jérôme Amagat a
      écrit :<br>
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cite="mid:CAHUxkt+oPz17xvx=vLcwopqNOsQoSFkeZRWHvuBX+AvMrQaoAg@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">(on va dire que je dis des conneries :P)
        <div>On s'en fout des source:maxspeed= et des zone:maxspeed= ce
          qu'on veux c'est savoir quelle vitesse est autorisé sur la
          portion de route donc le seul truc utile c'est <b>maxspeed=</b></div>
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    Jusqu'à il n'y a pas longtemps, j'étais d'accord avec toi, mais
    depuis on m'a expliqué que des infos qui ne me semblaient pas utiles
    l'étaient pour d'autres.<br>
    <br>
    Pour source:maxspeed= - si un jour on change la valeur règlementaire
    en France par exemple 90 > 80 on pourrait modifier
    automatiquement le maxspeed quand source:maxspeed=rural, mais pas
    quand source:maxspeed=sign<span
style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:21px"><span
style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:21px"></span><b><br>
      </b></span><br>
    Quant à zone:maxspeed=FR:zone:30 il y a des infos en plus de la
    vitesse : les piétons peuvent traverser, il n'y a pas de passage
    protégé et  toutes  les  chaussées  sont  à  double  sens pour  les 
    cyclistes ... <br>
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cite="mid:CAHUxkt+oPz17xvx=vLcwopqNOsQoSFkeZRWHvuBX+AvMrQaoAg@mail.gmail.com"
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        <div class="gmail_quote">Le 9 novembre 2015 00:12, Jérôme
          Seigneuret <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:jseigneuret-pro@yahoo.fr" target="_blank">jseigneuret-pro@yahoo.fr</a>></span>
          a écrit :<br>
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            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
            <div dir="ltr">Je suis en parti en cause pour la France.
              Mais bon sur le wiki il y a plusieurs forme (et
              différentes suivant les pays et même les contributeurs)
              <div><font color="#252525" face="sans-serif"><span
                    style="font-size:14px;line-height:21px"><br>
                  </span></font></div>
              <div>
                <div><font color="#252525" face="sans-serif"><span
                      style="font-size:14px;line-height:21px"><a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:zone:maxspeed"
                        target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:zone:maxspeed">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:zone:maxspeed</a></a></span><br>
                  </font></div>
                <div><span
style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:21px"><a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:source:maxspeed"
                      target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:source:maxspeed">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:source:maxspeed</a></a></span></div>
              </div>
              <div><span
style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:21px"><br>
                </span></div>
              <div><font color="#252525" face="sans-serif"><span
                    style="font-size:14px;line-height:21px">source:maxspeed=<b>sign
                    </b>pour les panneaux rond de vitesse (B14 pour le
                    début de limitation, B33 pour la fin de limitation)</span></font></div>
              <div><font color="#252525" face="sans-serif"><span
                    style="font-size:14px;line-height:21px"><br>
                  </span></font></div>
              <div><span
style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:21px">source:maxspeed=</span><b
style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:21px">markings</b><span
style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:21px"> pour
                  les vitesses marquées au sol</span><font
                  color="#252525" face="sans-serif"><span
                    style="font-size:14px;line-height:21px"><br>
                  </span></font></div>
              <div><span
style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:21px"><br>
                </span></div>
              <div><span
style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:21px">source:maxspeed=<b>urban</b>,<b>rural,motorway
                  </b>pour des vitesses réglementaires. </span></div>
              <div><span
style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:21px"><br>
                </span></div>
              <div><span
style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:21px">Visible
                  sur ce panneau </span><font color="#252525"
                  face="sans-serif"><span
                    style="font-size:14px;line-height:21px"><a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://routes.wikia.com/wiki/Limitations_de_vitesse_en_France_et_%C3%A0_l%27%C3%A9tranger?file=C25a.gif"
                      target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://routes.wikia.com/wiki/Limitations_de_vitesse_en_France_et_%C3%A0_l'%C3%A9tranger?file=C25a.gif">http://routes.wikia.com/wiki/Limitations_de_vitesse_en_France_et_%C3%A0_l'%C3%A9tranger?file=C25a.gif</a></a></span></font></div>
              <div><font color="#252525" face="sans-serif"><span
                    style="font-size:14px;line-height:21px"><br>
                  </span></font></div>
              <div><font color="#252525" face="sans-serif"><span
                    style="font-size:14px;line-height:21px">Les suisses
                    et les belges ont un <b>trunk </b>défini sur le
                    même type de panneau</span></font></div>
              <div><span
style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:21px"><br>
                </span></div>
              <div><span
style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:21px">Tous
                  est clair sur ces points</span></div>
              <div><span
style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:21px"><br>
                </span></div>
              <div><span
style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:21px">Mais
                  il y a un passage qui ne statut par sur le tag à
                  utiliser pour les zones au pas, 20, 30</span></div>
              <div><span
style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:21px"><br>
                </span></div>
              <div><span class="">
                  <ul style="line-height:1.5em;margin:0.3em 0px 0px
1.6em;padding:0px;color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">
                    <li style="margin-bottom:0.1em"><i><tt dir="ltr"
style="font-family:monospace,Courier;font-size:16.1000003814697px;white-space:nowrap;background:rgb(221,221,238)"><a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxspeed"
                            title="Key:maxspeed"
                            style="color:rgb(11,0,128);background:none"
                            target="_blank">maxspeed</a>=30</tt> and <tt
                          dir="ltr"
style="font-family:monospace,Courier;font-size:16.1000003814697px;white-space:nowrap;background:rgb(221,221,238)"><a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:zone:maxspeed"
                            title="Key:zone:maxspeed"
                            style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration:none;background:none"
                            target="_blank">zone:maxspeed</a>=DE:zone30</tt> -
                        Most used value (used 21k times in June 2015)</i></li>
                  </ul>
                </span>
                <div><font color="#252525" face="sans-serif"><span
                      style="font-size:14px;line-height:21px">Sauf que
                      depuis tout a été corrigé en zone:maxspeed=DE:30
                      > </span></font><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8000001907349px;line-height:20.7999992370605px;text-align:-webkit-right;white-space:nowrap">26439
                    ou c'est une erreur sur le wiki...</span></div>
                <div><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8000001907349px;line-height:20.7999992370605px;text-align:-webkit-right;white-space:nowrap">zone30
                    ne représente que 7 valeurs</span></div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8000001907349px;line-height:20.7999992370605px;text-align:-webkit-right;white-space:nowrap">Chez
                    nous : </span><font color="#252525"
                    face="sans-serif"><span
                      style="font-size:14px;line-height:21px">zone:maxspeed=FR:30
                      > </span></font><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8000001907349px;line-height:20.7999992370605px;text-align:-webkit-right;white-space:nowrap">9004</span></div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <ul style="line-height:1.5em;margin:0.3em 0px 0px
1.6em;padding:0px;color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">
                  <span class="">
                    <li style="margin-bottom:0.1em"><i><tt dir="ltr"
style="font-family:monospace,Courier;font-size:16.1000003814697px;white-space:nowrap;background:rgb(221,221,238)"><a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxspeed"
                            title="Key:maxspeed"
                            style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration:none;background:none"
                            target="_blank">maxspeed</a>=30</tt> and <tt
                          dir="ltr"
style="font-family:monospace,Courier;font-size:16.1000003814697px;white-space:nowrap;background:rgb(221,221,238)"><strong>source:maxspeed</strong>=DE:zone:30</tt> -
                        Second most used value (used 18k times in June
                        2015)</i></li>
                  </span>
                  <li style="margin-bottom:0.1em"><i><tt dir="ltr"
style="font-family:monospace,Courier;font-size:16.1000003814697px;white-space:nowrap;background:rgb(221,221,238)"><a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxspeed"
                          title="Key:maxspeed"
                          style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration:none;background:none"
                          target="_blank">maxspeed</a>=30</tt> and <tt
                        dir="ltr"
style="font-family:monospace,Courier;font-size:16.1000003814697px;white-space:nowrap;background:rgb(221,221,238)"><strong>source:maxspeed</strong>=DE:zone</tt> -
                      Proposed by a discussion on a mailing
                      list citisation needed (used </i></li>
                </ul>
                <div><font color="#252525" face="sans-serif"><span
                      style="font-size:14px;line-height:21px"><br>
                    </span></font></div>
                <div><font color="#252525" face="sans-serif"><span
                      style="font-size:14px;line-height:21px">source:maxspeed=DE:zone30
                      > 24439</span></font></div>
                <div><span
style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:21px">source:maxspeed=DE:zone:30
                    > 19631</span></div>
              </div>
              <span class="">
                <div><span
style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:21px"><br>
                  </span></div>
                <div>
                  <div><font color="#252525" face="sans-serif"><span
                        style="font-size:14px;line-height:21px">source:maxspeed=FR:zone30
                        > </span></font><span
                      style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">3911</span></div>
                  <div><span
style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:21px">source:maxspeed=FR:zone:30
                      > </span><span
                      style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">32</span></div>
                </div>
                <div><span
style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:21px"><br>
                  </span></div>
                <div><span
style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:21px"><br>
                  </span></div>
              </span>
              <div><font color="#252525" face="sans-serif"><span
                    style="font-size:14px;line-height:21px">On a ça
                    aussi = </span></font></div>
              <div><font color="#252525" face="sans-serif"><span
                    style="font-size:14px;line-height:21px">source:maxspeed=</span></font><a
                  moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/?key=source%3Amaxspeed&value=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.service-public.fr%2Factualites%2F007904.html"
style="color:rgb(8,62,118);font-size:12.8000001907349px;line-height:20.7999992370605px;white-space:nowrap;text-decoration:none;background-color:rgb(232,232,228)"
                  target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.service-public">http://www.service-public</a>.<b>fr</b>/actualites/007904.html</a></div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>On pourrait bien avoir pour :</div>
              <div>
                <ul>
                  <li><b>les zones 30</b><br>
                  </li>
                </ul>
              </div>
              <blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px
                40px;border:none;padding:0px">
                <div>maxspeed=30</div>
                <div>source:maxspeed=FR:zone30</div>
                <div>zone:maxspeed=FR:30</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
              </blockquote>
              <div>
                <ul>
                  <li><b>les zones de rencontre</b></li>
                </ul>
              </div>
              <blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px
                40px;border:none;padding:0px">
                <div>maxspeed=20</div>
                <div>source:maxspeed=FR:living_street</div>
                <div>zone:maxspeed=FR:20</div>
              </blockquote>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>
                <div>
                  <ul>
                    <li><b>les aires piétonnes</b></li>
                  </ul>
                </div>
                <blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px
                  40px;border:none;padding:0px">
                  <div>maxspeed=6</div>
                  <div>source:maxspeed=FR:walk</div>
                  <div>zone:maxspeed=FR:6</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                </blockquote>
              </div>
              <div>Les zones étant encadrées par des panneaux
                (entrée;sortie):</div>
              <div>- zone30 : B30;B51 </div>
              <div>- living_street : B52;B53</div>
              <div>- pedestrian : B54;B55</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>zone:maxspeed sert à identifier des zones et la
                vitesse dans la zone. La zone n'étant pas forcément lié
                à une source réglemantaire comme pour les parkings où
                l'on est souvent sur des zones 10km/h</div>
              <div>source:maxspeed sert à déterminer le contexte
                réglementaire lié à la vitesse en question (Si je me
                trompe que l'on me corrige).</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>Maintenant il faut choisir quoi mettre et bien le
                détailler dans le wiki. On peut aussi faire comme sur
                les autres page en indiquant les tags à éviter.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>Bonne soirée</div>
              <div>Jérôme</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
            </div>
            <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
              <div class="gmail_quote">
                <div>
                  <div class="h5">Le 8 novembre 2015 20:29, lenny <span
                      dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:lenny.libre@orange.fr"
                        target="_blank">lenny.libre@orange.fr</a>></span>
                    a écrit :<br>
                  </div>
                </div>
                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
                  .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                  <div>
                    <div class="h5">
                      <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Bonjour<br>
                        Je viens de découvrir, sur un highway, le tag "<i>source:maxspeed=FR:zone30"</i><br>
                        Je l'ai cherché sur le wiki.<br>
                        Autant je comprend par exemple : "<i>maxspeed=50</i>"
                        avec "<i>source:maxspeed=FR:urban"</i> ou "<i>source:maxspeed=sign"</i>
                        ; par contre, AMHA, je ne vois pas la valeur
                        ajouté de "<i>source:maxspeed=FR:zone30"</i>
                        car, dans ce cas, la vitesse limite est toujours
                        explicite.<br>
                        <br>
                        Mais je suis encore plus étonné par les valeurs
                        :<br>
                        le wiki anglais propose deux possibilités (avec
                        ou sans ":" entre "zone" et "30")<br>
                        "maxspeed=30 and zone:maxspeed=DE:zone30 - Most
                        used value (used 21k times in June 2015)"<br>
                        "maxspeed=30 and source:maxspeed=DE:zone:30 -
                        Second most used value (used 18k times in June
                        2015)"<br>
                        <br>
                        pareil en Allemand<br>
                        "maxspeed=30 und source:maxspeed=DE:zone30 oder
                        DE:zone oder DE:zone:30"<br>
                        <br>
                        en Français, une seule valeur est indiquée <br>
                        "Pour taguer une zone 30, ajoutez les tags
                        maxspeed=30 et
                        source:maxspeed=<country-code>:zone:30"<br>
                        et quand je vais voir taginfo, pour environ
                        9000  "<i>zone:maxspeed=FR:30</i>"<br>
                        "<i>source:maxspeed=FR:zone30</i>"        >  
                         3911<br>
                        "<i>source:maxspeed=FR:zone:30</i>"    >     
                        32<br>
                        et là, la valeur proposée par le wiki est la
                        moins utilisée ! déjà que je ne voyais pas ce
                        que ce tag apportait !!!<br>
                        <br>
                        Cordialement<span><font color="#888888"><br>
                            Lenny<br>
                            <br>
                          </font></span></div>
                      <br>
                    </div>
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            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr"
              rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr</a><br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org">Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr</a>
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