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Bonjour,<br>
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Je vous fais suivre aussi cette réponse de John, parmi d'autres sur
la liste "Tagging", bien qu'elle soit entièrement en anglais, parce
qu'elle m'a particulièrement touché, avec son autre façon d'exprimer
sa solidarité, apparemment depuis le Japon.<br>
<br>
Faute de temps, je traduis juste ce paragraphe final (il existe des
traducteurs en ligne pour ceux qui ne lisent pas l'anglais et
voudraient avoir une idée du contenu, ou peut-être que le reste du
texte inspirera un autre traducteur volontaire) :<br>
"Also, mappers in Paris, please know there are people around the
world (literally) who would love to give you a big hug, and wishing
for your safety and that you were not personally affected by these
attacks. Please map the memorials as meticulously as you can when
they are made. "<br>
<br>
"Aussi, mappeurs de Paris, s'il vous plaît sachez qu'il y a des gens
tout autour du monde (littéralement) qui adoreraient vous serrer
dans leurs bras, et qui forment des vœux pour votre sécurité et pour
que vous n'ayez pas été personnellement affectés par ces attaques.
S'il vous plaît, cartographiez les plaques ou monuments
commémoratifs aussi méticuleusement que vous pourrez quand ils
seront faits."<br>
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Thank you very much John.<br>
<br>
Jean-Guilhem<br>
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<td>Re: [Tagging] Friendliness with attacked mapped places
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<td>Sun, 15 Nov 2015 09:05:43 +0900</td>
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<div class="">On Nov 15, 2015, at 3:35 AM, Frederik Ramm <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:frederik@remote.org"
class="">frederik@remote.org</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size:
13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal;
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0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows:
auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Yes, a
tragedy has happened, or more precisely a horrific crime;
and</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size:
13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal;
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height:
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class="">
<span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 13px;
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normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal;
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto;
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float:
none; display: inline !important;" class="">yes, you and I
and many others wish to extend our hearfelt condolences</span><br
style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 13px;
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normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal;
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<span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 13px;
font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight:
normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal;
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto;
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float:
none; display: inline !important;" class="">to the victims
and their families. But OpenStreetMap is not the right</span><br
style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 13px;
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normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal;
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class="">
<span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 13px;
font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight:
normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal;
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text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto;
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float:
none; display: inline !important;" class="">medium to do
that.</span></div>
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<blockquote type="cite" class="">But let us hope that
vandalism will not be added to terrorism.<br class="">
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That's exactly what you are inviting here. You may have the
best<br class="">
intentions but you're doing the wrong thing.</blockquote>
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<div class="">+1</div>
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<div class="">The stories coming out of Paris are heartbreaking. </div>
<div class=""><br class="">
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<div class="">Seeing the french flag pop up on websites - it
appeared on <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://Amazon.co.jp" class="">Amazon.co.jp</a> almost as
soon as I read of the attacks - gets one into the mood of “me
too” for our own web sites, and OSM is no exception to this
feeling.</div>
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</div>
<div class="">I ordered a French flag to fly on our School’s
flagpole on Monday. at school from Amazon Japan. I feel that is
a display that people can see and understand. </div>
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<div class="">But we must refrain from doing this via the OSM
dataset.</div>
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<div class="">Adding comments into the data that will invite
further note tagging that is unrelated to the actual mapping
data is not a good idea. </div>
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<div class="">Perhaps having a “Open Memory Map” or something to
help document people’s experiences (good &bad) as related to
specific geographic places would be a good idea, but that is not
the goal of the OSM dataset (AFAIK). </div>
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<div class="">I assume in the coming months (or years) there will
be plaques and monuments erected to the victims, both Big and
small - a tiny brass plaque, a planted tree in a park, a
memorial made to a specific person who died. While individually
we can fly a flag or wear a pin, donate money or directly work
to help victims where possible,</div>
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<div class="">OSM’s job is to faithfully map and document those
plaques, memorials, and related objects. </div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
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<div class="">On the one or five year anniversaries of the
attacks, when the memorials are built and the speeches and
political rhetoric has died down, we can make a special link on
the OSM page that links to a collection of large public and
small personal memorials that people click to see on OSM, and
using the website & wikipedia tags - read about the
memorials (as most people can’t visit France directly) or point
people to read about an ordinary person that died, memorialized
by a tiny overlooked plaque on a bench or tree in a normally
unnoticed section of a park - possibly outside of France if they
were from somewhere else.</div>
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</div>
<div class="">Us announcing that we added a note is not going to
get much worthwhile press, while everyone is still reading about
the bloodshed and hearing the politicians speak. It will invite
further notes. And what we offer on the map is not very useful
as a map. Everyone knows the locations - we don’t need to “me
too” this. We should offer a “native” memorial in our data by
mapping the memorials and linking to them on the anniversary via
the OSM front page and shared via social media.</div>
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</div>
<div class="">That is how OSM can honor the victims of these
attacks: To help people not forget the victims. To help people
find out about an ordinary person memorialized by a lonely
plaque somewhere - keeping their memory alive - as after we pass
away, we exist only in memory. Keeping their memory alive is a
noble thing to do. </div>
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</div>
<div class="">I hope we don’t have to map many more memorials - in
France or elsewhere.</div>
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</div>
<div class="">Solidarité</div>
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</div>
<div class="">Javbw</div>
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<div class="">
<div class="">Also, mappers in Paris, please know there are
people around the world (literally) who would love to give you
a big hug, and wishing for your safety and that you were not
personally affected by these attacks. Please map the memorials
as meticulously as you can when they are made. </div>
</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">PS: would we have to link all the memorials to a
specific event via a relation? I have no idea about that. </div>
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