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    Pour le sondage autour de chez moi (zone rurale, peut-être moins de
    contraintes liées à des cartes trop chargées) : <br>
     - orientés correctement : 9 églises<br>
     - orienté à 180° : 1 église<br>
     - orienté autrement : aucun.<br>
    Sans forcément chercher à pinailler, à Séverac-l'Église, le symbole
    n'est pas que mal orienté, il est aussi mal placé (mauvais angle du
    triangle des rues)<br>
    JB.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 25/04/2016 00:35, Philippe Verdy a
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cite="mid:CAGa7JC29yVnc5Lgw8JgqzJY_cobuMGtWYPgHb1V4=2M47gysgg@mail.gmail.com"
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      <div dir="ltr">Regarde aussi à Rodez...</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">Le 25 avril 2016 à 00:33, Philippe
          Verdy <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:verdy_p@wanadoo.fr" target="_blank">verdy_p@wanadoo.fr</a>></span>
          a écrit :<br>
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            <div dir="ltr">Si tu veux un exemple, regarde les cartes IGN
              pour Séverac-l'Eglise et vois comment le symbole change
              d'orientation sans *jamais* afficher l'orientation réelle
              de l'édifice...
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                  <div class="gmail_quote">Le 25 avril 2016 à 00:03,
                    Philippe Verdy <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                        href="mailto:verdy_p@wanadoo.fr" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:verdy_p@wanadoo.fr">verdy_p@wanadoo.fr</a></a>></span>
                    a écrit :<br>
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                      <div dir="ltr">En plus j'ai vérifié, l'IGN
                        n'oriente pas ses symboles sur ses cartes. Si
                        parfois le symbole est "penché" c'est juste pour
                        le dessiner en évitant de le superposer à autre
                        chose, mais pas en tenant compte de
                        l'orientation réelle de l'édifice.
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                        <div>A grande d'échelle, le symbole (légèrement
                          différent selon qu'il s'agit d'une église ou
                          cathédrale, d'une petite chapelle ou juste
                          d'un calvaire ouvert sur l'extérieur sans nef)
                          n'est jamais orienté (la croix est toujours
                          verticale, ou pas affiché du tout pour les
                          plus petits édifices s'il y a autre chose plus
                          remarquable à afficher). A petite échelle, il
                          n'y a aucun symbole sur le bâtiment, c'est le
                          bâtiment qui est représenté dans sa forme
                          réelle, la croix disparait, il reste juste un
                          petit cercle signalant son entrée principale,
                          et le nom de l'édifice (ou l'abréviation
                          "Egl.") peut être affiché sans symbole.</div>
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                            <div>C'est à échelle moyenne qu'on peut voir
                              des ajustements manuels de l'orientation
                              pour éviter de recouvrir un autre symbole
                              proche pour éviter de couper un libellé;
                              il n'y a aucune règle prédéterminée selon
                              les endroits un ajustement est fait... ou
                              pas (selon l'importance relative des
                              autrers éléments voisins à représenter, ce
                              n'est pas toujours ce symbole qui est
                              ajusté mais les libellés autour qui
                              peuvent être décalés).</div>
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                            <div class="gmail_quote">Le 24 avril 2016 à
                              23:40, Philippe Verdy <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                                  target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:verdy_p@wanadoo.fr">verdy_p@wanadoo.fr</a></a>></span>
                              a écrit :<br>
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                                <div dir="ltr">Hmmmm. Je n'ai pas dit ça
                                  (et surtout pas dans ces termles
                                  insultants). Mais je voudrais un
                                  exemple clair.</div>
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                                      <div class="gmail_quote">Le 24
                                        avril 2016 à 17:34, JB <span
                                          dir="ltr"><<a
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                                            href="mailto:jbosm@mailoo.org"
                                            target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jbosm@mailoo.org">jbosm@mailoo.org</a></a>></span>
                                        a écrit :<br>
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                                            bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Bien,
                                            Philippe, tu penseras donc à
                                            faire suivre ce mél à l'IGN
                                            pour leur expliquer qu'il
                                            bossent comme des porcs
                                            depuis quelques dizaines
                                            d'années, et qu'ils
                                            s'entêtent dans cette
                                            voie-là.<span><font
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                                                JB.</font></span>
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                                                <div>Le 24/04/2016
                                                  13:15, Philippe Verdy
                                                  a écrit :<br>
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                                                          22/04/2016
                                                          22:08,
                                                          Frédéric
                                                          Rodrigo a
                                                          écrit :<br>
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                                                          Pour les
                                                          églises c'est
                                                          d'autant plus
                                                          "intéressant"
                                                          que le symbole
                                                          est orienté et
                                                          la forme non
                                                          triviale !<br>
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                                                          </span> Je
                                                          crois que le
                                                          défi est
                                                          lancé. Par
                                                          contre, ça
                                                          risque
                                                          d'attendre un
                                                          peu, ma liste
                                                          de choses à
                                                          faire avant
                                                          est un peu
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                                                        <div>Je ne vois
                                                          pas en quoi le
                                                          symbole d'une
                                                          église ou
                                                          temple (la
                                                          croix) ou
                                                          d'une
                                                          synagogue
                                                          (classiquement
                                                          une étoile de
                                                          David) ou
                                                          d'une mosquée
                                                          (classiquement
                                                          un croissant)
                                                          est orienté :
                                                          il n'y a
                                                          qu'une
                                                          orientation
                                                          valable dans
                                                          chaque cas
                                                          (celle de
                                                          représetnation
                                                          de la carte),
                                                          c'est un
                                                          symbole qui
                                                          apparaitre
                                                          ancré sur le
                                                          batiment, même
                                                          s'il n'est
                                                          représenté que
                                                          par un noeud
                                                          ou par un
                                                          polygone
                                                          complexe.
                                                          Faire tourner
                                                          cette croix ou
                                                          le croissant
                                                          aura un sens
                                                          un peu
                                                          particulier et
                                                          pourrait même
                                                          être perçu
                                                          négativement
                                                          (imaginez
                                                          l'effet de
                                                          voir une croix
                                                          renversée).</div>
                                                        <div>Dans tous
                                                          les cas on se
                                                          place dans
                                                          l'orientation
                                                          d'observation
                                                          de la carte
                                                          (et de lecture
                                                          de sa légende
                                                          éventuelle).</div>
                                                        <div>Ce n'est
                                                          pas comme les
                                                          terrains de
                                                          sport ou les
                                                          barrières et
                                                          barrages qu'on
                                                          a intéret à
                                                          rienter dans
                                                          le bon sens
                                                          dans ils ne
                                                          sont
                                                          représentés
                                                          que par un
                                                          noeud (le
                                                          symbole étant
                                                          figuratif de
                                                          la réalité).
                                                          Je ne vois
                                                          même pas en
                                                          quoi cela
                                                          améliore la
                                                          lisibilité de
                                                          la carte et la
                                                          reconnaissance
                                                          du symbole. Si
                                                          cela dépend de
                                                          l'orientation
                                                          du batiment,
                                                          c'est le
                                                          batiment
                                                          lui-même qu'il
                                                          faut
                                                          représenter
                                                          (et ce n'est
                                                          pas lié au
                                                          culte qui est
                                                          célébré
                                                          dedans... ou
                                                          pas).</div>
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