<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">Le 29 octobre 2017 à 22:16, marc marc <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:marc_marc_irc@hotmail.com" target="_blank">marc_marc_irc@hotmail.com</a>></span> a écrit :<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Tu n'as pas vu le problème du 4 en 3ieme position dans les ref fantoir<br>
7540093510R et 7541093510F, ce n'est pas le code direction.<br>
<br>
en partant de<br>
<a href="https://www.data.gouv.fr/fr/datasets/fichier-fantoir-des-voies-et-lieux-dits/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.data.gouv.fr/fr/<wbr>datasets/fichier-fantoir-des-<wbr>voies-et-lieux-dits/</a><br>
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cela ne change rien, cela renseigne heureusement les mêmes codes fantoir<br>
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Mais on a trouvé la réponse dans le pdf officiel qui dit "le code<br>
direction est égal à 0, à l'exception de quatre départements:Paris (754<br>
à 758), les Bouches-du-Rhône (131, 132), le Nord (591, 592) et les<br>
Hauts-de-Seine (921, 922). »<br>
ils utilisent des codes départements "tordu"<br>
<br>
donc dans le détail<br>
7540093510R et 7541093510F sont divisée en<br>
754 pseudo-département<br>
0 ou 1 code direction (qu'on vire pour osm)<br>
09 arrondissement<br>
3510 rivoli<br>
R ou F code contrôle<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Dans le détail moi je comprend ceci:</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">75 département<br>4 code direction (qu'on vire dans OSM)<br>009 ou 109 arrondissement (à unifier vers le code INSEE de l'arrondissement 109 et non le code postal 009)<br>3510 rivoli<br>R ou F code contrôle<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Dans tous les cas, c'est toujours le 3e chiffre du code DGFiP à 11 chiffre qu'on vire. Le problème c'est plutôt le 4e chiffre des communes à arrondissements (0 ou 1) qui n'est pas cohérent...</div><div><br></div><div>La code de contrôle en revanche est calculé sur le code entier (code direction inclu, et avec le code commune ou arrondissement communal indiqué; je suppose que si ces codes d'arrondissement ne sont pas unifiés c'est à cause d'une cuisine interne de la DGFiP qui a revu la carte de ses directions locales et a pu diviser un même arrondissement sur deux directions différentes à un moment donné, même si la dernière direction est la numéro 4. Ou bien il y a pu y a voir des sous-directions aussi à Paris et ils ont emprunté encore un chiffre inutilisé dans le code d'arrondissement communal).</div><div><br></div><div>Il y a peut-être une origine aussi à chercher du côté de l'ancienne administration de Paris (avant la création de la Mairie de Paris et la relégation des mairies d'arrondissements à un rôle essentiellement exécutif au sein de la municipalité, mais avant les mairies d'arrondissement pouvaient avoir des secteurs distingués selon les quartiers admisnitratrifs, ici pour le 9e les quartiers <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartier_Saint-Georges_(Paris)" title="Quartier Saint-Georges (Paris)" style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background:none rgb(249,249,249);font-family:Corbel,"Traditional Arabic","Segoe UI",Tahoma,Verdana,Arial,"Ifao N Copte",Aharoni,"Levenim MT",David,Andalus,"Microsoft Uighur","Simplified Arabic",Sylfaen,"Estrangelo Edessa","Mv Boli","Mongolian Baiti","Microsoft Yi Baiti",Nyala,"Ethiopia Jiret","Tifinagh-Ircam Unicode",Ebrima,"Hapax Berb\0000e8re",Gadugi,"Plantagenet Cherokee",Euphemia,"Aboriginal Sans",AfSans,AfPaiNutaaq,Pigiarniq,"Nimala UI",Utsaah,Kokila,Mangal,Chandas,Vrinda,"Shonar Bangla",Rupali,SolaimanLipi,Raavi,Shruti,Tunga,Kartika,Kalinga,"Iskoola Pota",Latha,Vijaya,Vani,Gautami,Leelawadee,"Khmer UI",DaunPenh,MoolBoran,"CDT Khmer","Lao UI",DokChampa,"Saysettha OT",LontaraOT,"Microsoft Tai Le","Microsoft New Tai Lue","Dai Banna SIL Light","Dai Banna SIL Book","Microsoft PhagsPa","Microsoft Himalaya","Tibetan Machine Uni",Meiryo,"Meiryo UI",Gulim,"Malgun Gothic","Microsoft JhengHei","Microsoft YaHei","Microsoft YaHei UI",MingLiU,SimSun,"MS PGothic",Padauk,Myanmar3,Parabaik,"Win Uni Innwa",Yunghkio,Thanlwin,"MyMyanmar Unicode","WinUni Innwa",Myanmar2,"Masterpiece Uni Sans","BPG Classic Medium","DejaVu Sans","MPH 2B Damase","Aramaic Imperial Yeb","Hebrew Paleo Siloam","Segoe UI Symbol","Arial Unicode MS",Code2000,Code2001,FreeSans,"Lucida Sans Console",sans-serif;font-size:12.6px">Saint-Georges</a><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Corbel,"Traditional Arabic","Segoe UI",Tahoma,Verdana,Arial,"Ifao N Copte",Aharoni,"Levenim MT",David,Andalus,"Microsoft Uighur","Simplified Arabic",Sylfaen,"Estrangelo Edessa","Mv Boli","Mongolian Baiti","Microsoft Yi Baiti",Nyala,"Ethiopia Jiret","Tifinagh-Ircam Unicode",Ebrima,"Hapax Berb\0000e8re",Gadugi,"Plantagenet Cherokee",Euphemia,"Aboriginal Sans",AfSans,AfPaiNutaaq,Pigiarniq,"Nimala UI",Utsaah,Kokila,Mangal,Chandas,Vrinda,"Shonar Bangla",Rupali,SolaimanLipi,Raavi,Shruti,Tunga,Kartika,Kalinga,"Iskoola Pota",Latha,Vijaya,Vani,Gautami,Leelawadee,"Khmer UI",DaunPenh,MoolBoran,"CDT Khmer","Lao UI",DokChampa,"Saysettha OT",LontaraOT,"Microsoft Tai Le","Microsoft New Tai Lue","Dai Banna SIL Light","Dai Banna SIL Book","Microsoft PhagsPa","Microsoft Himalaya","Tibetan Machine Uni",Meiryo,"Meiryo UI",Gulim,"Malgun Gothic","Microsoft JhengHei","Microsoft YaHei","Microsoft YaHei UI",MingLiU,SimSun,"MS PGothic",Padauk,Myanmar3,Parabaik,"Win Uni Innwa",Yunghkio,Thanlwin,"MyMyanmar Unicode","WinUni Innwa",Myanmar2,"Masterpiece Uni Sans","BPG Classic Medium","DejaVu Sans","MPH 2B Damase","Aramaic Imperial Yeb","Hebrew Paleo Siloam","Segoe UI Symbol","Arial Unicode MS",Code2000,Code2001,FreeSans,"Lucida Sans Console",sans-serif;font-size:12.6px;background-color:rgb(249,249,249)"> (33),</span><a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartier_de_la_Chauss%C3%A9e-d%27Antin" title="Quartier de la Chaussée-d'Antin" style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background:none rgb(249,249,249);font-family:Corbel,"Traditional Arabic","Segoe UI",Tahoma,Verdana,Arial,"Ifao N Copte",Aharoni,"Levenim MT",David,Andalus,"Microsoft Uighur","Simplified Arabic",Sylfaen,"Estrangelo Edessa","Mv Boli","Mongolian Baiti","Microsoft Yi Baiti",Nyala,"Ethiopia Jiret","Tifinagh-Ircam Unicode",Ebrima,"Hapax Berb\0000e8re",Gadugi,"Plantagenet Cherokee",Euphemia,"Aboriginal Sans",AfSans,AfPaiNutaaq,Pigiarniq,"Nimala UI",Utsaah,Kokila,Mangal,Chandas,Vrinda,"Shonar Bangla",Rupali,SolaimanLipi,Raavi,Shruti,Tunga,Kartika,Kalinga,"Iskoola Pota",Latha,Vijaya,Vani,Gautami,Leelawadee,"Khmer UI",DaunPenh,MoolBoran,"CDT Khmer","Lao UI",DokChampa,"Saysettha OT",LontaraOT,"Microsoft Tai Le","Microsoft New Tai Lue","Dai Banna SIL Light","Dai Banna SIL Book","Microsoft PhagsPa","Microsoft Himalaya","Tibetan Machine Uni",Meiryo,"Meiryo UI",Gulim,"Malgun Gothic","Microsoft JhengHei","Microsoft YaHei","Microsoft YaHei UI",MingLiU,SimSun,"MS PGothic",Padauk,Myanmar3,Parabaik,"Win Uni Innwa",Yunghkio,Thanlwin,"MyMyanmar Unicode","WinUni Innwa",Myanmar2,"Masterpiece Uni Sans","BPG Classic Medium","DejaVu Sans","MPH 2B Damase","Aramaic Imperial Yeb","Hebrew Paleo Siloam","Segoe UI Symbol","Arial Unicode MS",Code2000,Code2001,FreeSans,"Lucida Sans Console",sans-serif;font-size:12.6px">Chaussée-d'Antin</a><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Corbel,"Traditional Arabic","Segoe UI",Tahoma,Verdana,Arial,"Ifao N Copte",Aharoni,"Levenim MT",David,Andalus,"Microsoft Uighur","Simplified Arabic",Sylfaen,"Estrangelo Edessa","Mv Boli","Mongolian Baiti","Microsoft Yi Baiti",Nyala,"Ethiopia Jiret","Tifinagh-Ircam Unicode",Ebrima,"Hapax Berb\0000e8re",Gadugi,"Plantagenet Cherokee",Euphemia,"Aboriginal Sans",AfSans,AfPaiNutaaq,Pigiarniq,"Nimala UI",Utsaah,Kokila,Mangal,Chandas,Vrinda,"Shonar Bangla",Rupali,SolaimanLipi,Raavi,Shruti,Tunga,Kartika,Kalinga,"Iskoola Pota",Latha,Vijaya,Vani,Gautami,Leelawadee,"Khmer UI",DaunPenh,MoolBoran,"CDT Khmer","Lao UI",DokChampa,"Saysettha OT",LontaraOT,"Microsoft Tai Le","Microsoft New Tai Lue","Dai Banna SIL Light","Dai Banna SIL Book","Microsoft PhagsPa","Microsoft Himalaya","Tibetan Machine Uni",Meiryo,"Meiryo UI",Gulim,"Malgun Gothic","Microsoft JhengHei","Microsoft YaHei","Microsoft YaHei UI",MingLiU,SimSun,"MS PGothic",Padauk,Myanmar3,Parabaik,"Win Uni Innwa",Yunghkio,Thanlwin,"MyMyanmar Unicode","WinUni Innwa",Myanmar2,"Masterpiece Uni Sans","BPG Classic Medium","DejaVu Sans","MPH 2B Damase","Aramaic Imperial Yeb","Hebrew Paleo Siloam","Segoe UI Symbol","Arial Unicode MS",Code2000,Code2001,FreeSans,"Lucida Sans Console",sans-serif;font-size:12.6px;background-color:rgb(249,249,249)"> (34),</span><a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartier_du_Faubourg-Montmartre" title="Quartier du Faubourg-Montmartre" style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background:none rgb(249,249,249);font-family:Corbel,"Traditional Arabic","Segoe UI",Tahoma,Verdana,Arial,"Ifao N Copte",Aharoni,"Levenim MT",David,Andalus,"Microsoft Uighur","Simplified Arabic",Sylfaen,"Estrangelo Edessa","Mv Boli","Mongolian Baiti","Microsoft Yi Baiti",Nyala,"Ethiopia Jiret","Tifinagh-Ircam Unicode",Ebrima,"Hapax Berb\0000e8re",Gadugi,"Plantagenet Cherokee",Euphemia,"Aboriginal Sans",AfSans,AfPaiNutaaq,Pigiarniq,"Nimala UI",Utsaah,Kokila,Mangal,Chandas,Vrinda,"Shonar Bangla",Rupali,SolaimanLipi,Raavi,Shruti,Tunga,Kartika,Kalinga,"Iskoola Pota",Latha,Vijaya,Vani,Gautami,Leelawadee,"Khmer UI",DaunPenh,MoolBoran,"CDT Khmer","Lao UI",DokChampa,"Saysettha OT",LontaraOT,"Microsoft Tai Le","Microsoft New Tai Lue","Dai Banna SIL Light","Dai Banna SIL Book","Microsoft PhagsPa","Microsoft Himalaya","Tibetan Machine Uni",Meiryo,"Meiryo UI",Gulim,"Malgun Gothic","Microsoft JhengHei","Microsoft YaHei","Microsoft YaHei UI",MingLiU,SimSun,"MS PGothic",Padauk,Myanmar3,Parabaik,"Win Uni Innwa",Yunghkio,Thanlwin,"MyMyanmar Unicode","WinUni Innwa",Myanmar2,"Masterpiece Uni Sans","BPG Classic Medium","DejaVu Sans","MPH 2B Damase","Aramaic Imperial Yeb","Hebrew Paleo Siloam","Segoe UI Symbol","Arial Unicode MS",Code2000,Code2001,FreeSans,"Lucida Sans Console",sans-serif;font-size:12.6px">Faubourg-Montmartre</a><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Corbel,"Traditional Arabic","Segoe UI",Tahoma,Verdana,Arial,"Ifao N Copte",Aharoni,"Levenim MT",David,Andalus,"Microsoft Uighur","Simplified Arabic",Sylfaen,"Estrangelo Edessa","Mv Boli","Mongolian Baiti","Microsoft Yi Baiti",Nyala,"Ethiopia Jiret","Tifinagh-Ircam Unicode",Ebrima,"Hapax Berb\0000e8re",Gadugi,"Plantagenet Cherokee",Euphemia,"Aboriginal Sans",AfSans,AfPaiNutaaq,Pigiarniq,"Nimala UI",Utsaah,Kokila,Mangal,Chandas,Vrinda,"Shonar Bangla",Rupali,SolaimanLipi,Raavi,Shruti,Tunga,Kartika,Kalinga,"Iskoola Pota",Latha,Vijaya,Vani,Gautami,Leelawadee,"Khmer UI",DaunPenh,MoolBoran,"CDT Khmer","Lao UI",DokChampa,"Saysettha OT",LontaraOT,"Microsoft Tai Le","Microsoft New Tai Lue","Dai Banna SIL Light","Dai Banna SIL Book","Microsoft PhagsPa","Microsoft Himalaya","Tibetan Machine Uni",Meiryo,"Meiryo UI",Gulim,"Malgun Gothic","Microsoft JhengHei","Microsoft YaHei","Microsoft YaHei UI",MingLiU,SimSun,"MS PGothic",Padauk,Myanmar3,Parabaik,"Win Uni Innwa",Yunghkio,Thanlwin,"MyMyanmar Unicode","WinUni Innwa",Myanmar2,"Masterpiece Uni Sans","BPG Classic Medium","DejaVu Sans","MPH 2B Damase","Aramaic Imperial Yeb","Hebrew Paleo Siloam","Segoe UI Symbol","Arial Unicode MS",Code2000,Code2001,FreeSans,"Lucida Sans Console",sans-serif;font-size:12.6px;background-color:rgb(249,249,249)"> (35) et </span><a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartier_de_Rochechouart" title="Quartier de Rochechouart" style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background:none rgb(249,249,249);font-family:Corbel,"Traditional Arabic","Segoe UI",Tahoma,Verdana,Arial,"Ifao N Copte",Aharoni,"Levenim MT",David,Andalus,"Microsoft Uighur","Simplified Arabic",Sylfaen,"Estrangelo Edessa","Mv Boli","Mongolian Baiti","Microsoft Yi Baiti",Nyala,"Ethiopia Jiret","Tifinagh-Ircam Unicode",Ebrima,"Hapax Berb\0000e8re",Gadugi,"Plantagenet Cherokee",Euphemia,"Aboriginal Sans",AfSans,AfPaiNutaaq,Pigiarniq,"Nimala UI",Utsaah,Kokila,Mangal,Chandas,Vrinda,"Shonar Bangla",Rupali,SolaimanLipi,Raavi,Shruti,Tunga,Kartika,Kalinga,"Iskoola Pota",Latha,Vijaya,Vani,Gautami,Leelawadee,"Khmer UI",DaunPenh,MoolBoran,"CDT Khmer","Lao UI",DokChampa,"Saysettha OT",LontaraOT,"Microsoft Tai Le","Microsoft New Tai Lue","Dai Banna SIL Light","Dai Banna SIL Book","Microsoft PhagsPa","Microsoft Himalaya","Tibetan Machine Uni",Meiryo,"Meiryo UI",Gulim,"Malgun Gothic","Microsoft JhengHei","Microsoft YaHei","Microsoft YaHei UI",MingLiU,SimSun,"MS PGothic",Padauk,Myanmar3,Parabaik,"Win Uni Innwa",Yunghkio,Thanlwin,"MyMyanmar Unicode","WinUni Innwa",Myanmar2,"Masterpiece Uni Sans","BPG Classic Medium","DejaVu Sans","MPH 2B Damase","Aramaic Imperial Yeb","Hebrew Paleo Siloam","Segoe UI Symbol","Arial Unicode MS",Code2000,Code2001,FreeSans,"Lucida Sans Console",sans-serif;font-size:12.6px">Rochechouart</a><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Corbel,"Traditional Arabic","Segoe UI",Tahoma,Verdana,Arial,"Ifao N Copte",Aharoni,"Levenim MT",David,Andalus,"Microsoft Uighur","Simplified Arabic",Sylfaen,"Estrangelo Edessa","Mv Boli","Mongolian Baiti","Microsoft Yi Baiti",Nyala,"Ethiopia Jiret","Tifinagh-Ircam Unicode",Ebrima,"Hapax Berb\0000e8re",Gadugi,"Plantagenet Cherokee",Euphemia,"Aboriginal Sans",AfSans,AfPaiNutaaq,Pigiarniq,"Nimala UI",Utsaah,Kokila,Mangal,Chandas,Vrinda,"Shonar Bangla",Rupali,SolaimanLipi,Raavi,Shruti,Tunga,Kartika,Kalinga,"Iskoola Pota",Latha,Vijaya,Vani,Gautami,Leelawadee,"Khmer UI",DaunPenh,MoolBoran,"CDT Khmer","Lao UI",DokChampa,"Saysettha OT",LontaraOT,"Microsoft Tai Le","Microsoft New Tai Lue","Dai Banna SIL Light","Dai Banna SIL Book","Microsoft PhagsPa","Microsoft Himalaya","Tibetan Machine Uni",Meiryo,"Meiryo UI",Gulim,"Malgun Gothic","Microsoft JhengHei","Microsoft YaHei","Microsoft YaHei UI",MingLiU,SimSun,"MS PGothic",Padauk,Myanmar3,Parabaik,"Win Uni Innwa",Yunghkio,Thanlwin,"MyMyanmar Unicode","WinUni Innwa",Myanmar2,"Masterpiece Uni Sans","BPG Classic Medium","DejaVu Sans","MPH 2B Damase","Aramaic Imperial Yeb","Hebrew Paleo Siloam","Segoe UI Symbol","Arial Unicode MS",Code2000,Code2001,FreeSans,"Lucida Sans Console",sans-serif;font-size:12.6px;background-color:rgb(249,249,249)"> (36)</span>.</div><div><br></div><div>Alors si on supprime le code direction, est-ce que la clé de contrôle est encore signifiante? Je pense qu'au moins à titre de vérification on peut le garder... si c'est stable. je me demande aussi si la DGFiP ne va pas réattribuer d'autres numéros en jouant sur le 4e caractère dans le cas où une voie est subdivisée et ne correspond plus entièrement à son ancien tracé et ce changement était également visible dans la clé. Cependant le FANTOIR actuel doit avoir oublié ce système grace aux mises à jour annuelles et par le fait que le fichier date chaque entrée individuellement dans un champ séparé (je ne sais pas si cela a toujours été le cas). Ou bien il y a pu y avoir des erreurs lors de la transition du RIVOLI au FANTOIR lors de la fusion des données entre les différentes directions.</div><div><br></div><div>Le dernier mystère à éclaircir: comment est calculé la clé de contrôle réellement ? la doc dit que c'est une lettre de l'alphabet sans O,I,Q (donc calculé avec modulo 23, et on voit d'une différence de 1 sur le dernier chiffre de la voie donne une différence de 2 lettres sur la clé, ce qui semble indiquer une variante améliorée du LUHN avec ses multiplicateurs alternant 1 et 2 selon la position, mais avec un modulo 23 premier et plus précis, au lieu de 10 non premier).</div></div></div></div>