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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Bonjour,</div>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">bon du coup je boucle et je ne sais pas
      trop comment déboucler :)</div>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Je parle ici seulement du tag
      amenity=parking_space pour 1 seule place de parking réservée pour
      des personnes à mobilité réduite (titulaire d'un macaron)<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Plusieurs schémas (je mets de coté
      wheelchair qui va qualifier l'effectivité de l'accessibilité en
      fauteuil) et si on regarde les combinaisons :
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/amenity=parking_space#combinations">https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/amenity=parking_space#combinations</a><br>
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        <li>amenity=parking_space + capacity:disabled=*-> un peu plus
          de 10 000 occurrence</li>
        <li>amenity=parking_space + parking_space=disabled -> un peu
          moins de 10 000 occurences</li>
        <li>amenity=parking_space + disabled=yes/designated -> ?</li>
        <li>amenity=parking_space + access:disabled=designated  -> ?</li>
        <li>amenity=parking_space + wheelchair -> 19500 avec 16000
          yes</li>
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      <p>5 -> c'est l'effectivité de l'accessibilité en fauteuil donc
        à part.</p>
      <p>3 et 4 pas beaucoup d'occurrences, du moins sur la page</p>
      <p>1 et 2 assez proche</p>
      <p>1 -> le tag capacity:disabled=* est plus adapté à un
        ensemble de places dont une partie capacity:disabled=*</p>
      <p>2 -> "pas cohérent avec parking=surface/sous-terrain" mais
        une place de parking en souterrain ou silo fera partie d'un
        amenity=parking qui lui sera taggué parking=surface/sous-terrain
        -> je ne suis pas sur que les valeurs des clés parking et
        parking_space aient besoin d'être cohérentes.</p>
      <p>Il est fait référence dans la page de proposition
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/parking#Parking_space">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/parking#Parking_space</a>)
        à la fois au place de parking pour le carpool, disabled, ...<br>
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      <p>Bon j'arrête, je ne suis pas sur d'avoir fini de boucler !!!</p>
      <p>à vous lire !<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 11/03/2019 à 11:30, PanierAvide a
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      <p>Bonjour,</p>
      <p>Le tag capacity=* sur amenity=parking_space est utilisable si
        l'emprise comporte plusieurs places. Mais le wiki précise aussi
        que les tags capacity:*=* ne sont pas utilisables sur les
        parking_space, qu'il faut plutôt utiliser access:*=*...</p>
      <p>Donc à priori ce serait amenity=parking_space + access=no +
        access:disabled=designated + wheelchair=* (+ capacity=* si
        plusieurs places collées). Ça en fait des tags pour indiquer une
        place PMR ! Utiliser parking_space=disabled simplifierait la
        chose, ou pas si on se retrouve à devoir le combiner avec les
        "anciens" tags.</p>
      <p>Cordialement,<br>
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      <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Adrien P.</pre>
      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 11/03/2019 à 10:32, Vincent
        Bergeot a écrit :<br>
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        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Bonjour,</div>
        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">je reprends ce fil car la question
          me hante (au moins !!!)/</div>
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        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dans le cas d'une <b>place
            individuelle de parking de type stationnement réservé pour
            les personnes handicapées ou à mobilité réduite</b> :</div>
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            <li>amenity=parking_space OK -> cela décrit 1 place<br>
            </li>
            <li>capacity:disabled=1 je ne comprends pas car on vient
              déjà de dire que c'est 1 avec parking_space (puisque que
              cela décrit justement une place), donc j'ai tendance à
              penser que c'est par défaut capacity=1 et que dans le cas
              de amenity=parking_space cela n'a pas de "sens" de définir
              des capacity<br>
            </li>
            <li>parking_space=disabled (effectivement peu renseigné sur
              le wiki et utilisé surtout en europe),</li>
            <li>wheelchair venant renseigner alors l'effectivité de
              l'accessibilité en fauteuil<br>
            </li>
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        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Ce que je ne vois pas c'est
          pourquoi parking_space=* ne serait pas plus utilisé (pour
          disabled mais sans doute aussi pour les places familles devant
          les supermarchés, les places réservées, carpool, comme
          d'ailleurs l'illustre la photo de la page wiki : <br>
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            href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dparking_space"
            moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dparking_space</a>)</div>
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        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">au plaisir de vous lire<br>
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        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 19/03/2018 à 11:06, PanierAvide
          a écrit :<br>
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          <p>Bonjour Marc et Jérôme,</p>
          <p>Merci pour vos deux réponses, ça montre bien une divergence
            des pratiques :-) Effectivement l'ambiguïté de la
            représentation porte sur les places individuelles, le cas du
            décompte sur un parking global est pour le coup explicite
            avec capacity:disabled=*.</p>
          <p>Malgré la confusion, de ce que je comprends, il y a quand
            même consensus sur les points suivants :</p>
          <p>- wheelchair=yes indique l'accessibilité réelle sur le
            terrain de la place<br>
            - Il vaudrait mieux se baser des tags orientés access=*</p>
          <p>Après je vois qu'il y a pléthore de valeurs possibles si on
            part sur la logique access. Pourquoi un combo
            amenity=parking_space + access=no + disabled=yes/designated
            ne serait-il pas suffisant (en ajoutant éventuellement du
            capacity:disabled pour un groupe de places) ?</p>
          <p>Cordialement,</p>
          <p>Adrien.<br>
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          <br>
          <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 19/03/2018 à 10:51, Jérôme
            Seigneuret a écrit :<br>
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cite="mid:CAATqEenwmxmHOdVA=9rHse0JTN6UN4jQTn=Cg4Yp1awPpR_GYQ@mail.gmail.com">
            <div dir="ltr">salut,
              <div><br>
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              <div>En clair on utilise  <span
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                  sur la zone de parking ou un espace.  Le truc c'est
                  que si tu englobes les capacités sur la zone et sur la
                  place c'est une double info et un double comptage. En
                  clair,</span></div>
              <div><span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">si
                  tu mixes les deux il faut enlever les espaces dans la
                  zone général et les décompter. parking_space utilise
                  la relation site pour regrouper les places d'un
                  parking. C'est du micro mapping</span></div>
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                </span></div>
              <div>Pour info, le stationnement avec la CMI n'est pas
                Franco-Français et les règles à établir sont Européenne.
                Donc si le sujet coince il faudra le remonter
                sur  osm-talk</div>
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                      le reste ça se base sur des tags générique dont le
                      schéma est ici</span></div>
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                        style="font-size:12.8px"><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/parking#General_tags"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/parking#General_tags</a></span></span></div>
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                  <li style="margin-bottom:0.1em"><i><tt dir="ltr"
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style="font-weight:400;font-family:monospace,Courier;font-size:1em;direction:ltr;background:rgb(238,238,255);line-height:1.6"><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:disabled"
                          title="Key:disabled"
                          style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background:none"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">disabled</a>=*</tt> (<b>holders
                        of blue badge</b>, UK, or other such disabled
                      persons' permit. Used on traffic signs to exempt
                      said group from access restrictions; not just
                      regarding parking)</i></li>
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                      style="font-size:14px"><i> <br
                          class="gmail-Apple-interchange-newline">
                        <span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:pre-wrap;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><b>Traduction :</b></span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:pre-wrap;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"> désactivé = * (détenteur d'un badge bleu, Royaume-Uni, ou autre permis pour personnes handicapées.) Utilisé sur les panneaux de signalisation pour exclure ce groupe des restrictions d'accès, pas seulement pour le stationnement.</span>
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                      style="font-size:14px"><i><br>
                      </i></span></font></div>
                <div><font face="sans-serif"><span
                      style="font-size:14px">Ça me parait clair. Mais
                      doit être utilisé avec access:* comme préfixe</span></font></div>
                <div><font face="sans-serif"><span
                      style="font-size:14px"><a
                        href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:disabled"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:disabled</a>
                      demande d'utiliser <span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">wheelchair=yes
                        (et pourquoi pas  <span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">wheelchair=designated
                          qui est plus cohérent en terme de
                          correspondance)</span></span></span><br>
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                      style="font-size:14px"><span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span
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                      style="font-size:14px"><span
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style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">De
                          plus comme dis @marc marc  <span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">parking_space=disabled
                            n'est pas décrit et n'a pas vraiment de sens
                            car ne rentre pas dans le schéma global.</span></span></span></span></font></div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
              </div>
              <div><span
style="text-align:start;text-indent:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">
                  <div
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">amenity=parking
                      + capacity=100<span> </span><span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">capacity:disabled=1
                        (100 places dont 1 pour détenteur de la CMI)
                        >>> pas le choix il me semble sur ce
                        cas. Je vois mal mettre wheelchair=yes et donc
                        dire qu'on à une capacité de 100 places pour les
                        PMR.</span></span></div>
                  <div
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><br>
                    </span></div>
                  <div
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">amenity=parking_space
                        + <span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">capacity:disabled=1</span>
                        + wheelchair=yes (1 place dont 1 pour détenteur
                        de la CMI)</span></span></div>
                  <div
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">(</span><span
                      style="font-size:12.8px">de base capacity=1) mais
                      le schéma permet de mapper un ensemble de place et
                      même d'ajouter le nom de la place (limite quand
                      c'est le nom de gens. Je ne pense pas que la CNIL
                      l’admette)</span></div>
                  <div
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span
                      style="font-size:12.8px"><br>
                    </span></div>
                  <div
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span
                      style="font-size:12.8px">pourquoi </span><span
                      style="font-size:12.8px">capacity:disabled=1</span><span
                      style="font-size:12.8px"> + wheelchair=yes </span><span
                      style="font-size:12.8px"></span></div>
                  <div
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><br>
                  </div>
                  <div
style="text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span
                      style="font-size:12.8px">On peut aussi mettre  </span><span
style="text-align:start;text-indent:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span
                        style="font-size:12.8px">wheelchair=designated
                        mais j'ai un peu du mal avec cette valeur de clé
                        car elle n'est pas interprétée pas tous les
                        outils et de base ils utilisent yes ou limited.
                        Pour faire simple certains outils ne permettent
                        d'afficher les résultat que pour </span> <span
style="text-align:start;text-indent:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span
                          style="font-size:12.8px">wheelchair=yes. Pas
                          de consensus donc on a une double information.</span></span></span></div>
                  <div
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><br>
                  </div>
                  <div
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">Bref
                      si l'on veut aller plus loin, vu que ce sont des
                      places réservées avec un panneau spécial, tu peux
                      ajouter un point pour le panneau de signalisation
                      <a class="gmail-mw-selflink gmail-selflink"
style="text-decoration:inherit;color:inherit;background:none;font-weight:bold"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">traffic_sign</a><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:monospace,Courier;font-size:13.3px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(238,238,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">=</span>FR:B6d,M6h
                      (pour plus d'info voir article L. 241-3-2 du code
                      de l'action sociale et des familles)</span></div>
                </span></div>
              <div><span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><br>
                </span></div>
              <div> <span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">access:disabled=designated</span> pourquoi
                pas</div>
              <div><span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><br>
                </span></div>
              <div><span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">access:conditional=designated
                    @ disabled</span> <br>
                </span></div>
              <div><span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">Si
                  tu mets ça il faut déjà mettre un type d'accès
                  générique</span></div>
              <div><span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">access=no
                  +  <span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">access:conditional=designated
                    @ disabled (sinon par défaut access=yes, <span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">access:conditional</span> est
                    une surcharge pour remplacer des valeurs)</span></span></div>
              <div><span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><br>
                </span></div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>Ma préférence à moi ;-)</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div> <span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">amenity=parking_space
                  +<span> </span></span><span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">capacity:disabled=2</span><span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span> </span>+
                  wheelchair=yes<span> </span></span> (cas d'un groupe
                de places car le schéma le permet)<br>
              </div>
              <div> <span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;font-size:12.8px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);float:none;display:inline">amenity=parking_space
                  +<span> </span></span><span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;font-size:12.8px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);float:none;display:inline"><span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">access:disabled=designated</span></span><span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;font-size:12.8px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);float:none;display:inline"><span> </span>+
                  wheelchair=yes<span> </span></span><span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span> </span></span> (si
                une seule place mais correspond à la première
                proposition avec la valeur de capacité = 1)<br>
              </div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>Vous remarquerez que je conserve  <span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;font-size:12.8px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);float:none;display:inline">wheelchair=yes<span> </span></span><span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);float:none;display:inline"><span> car
                    pour certains site c'est une clé indispensable et je
                    pense qu'on va avoir des problème si l'on vire cette
                    clé</span></span></div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div><span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">pour
                    info voici quelques liens utiles:</span></span></div>
              <div>
                <ul>
                  <li><a
                      href="http://ec.europa.eu/social/BlobServlet?docId=3170&langId=fr"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">http://ec.europa.eu/social/BlobServlet?docId=3170&langId=fr</a><span
                      style="font-size:12.8px"> </span><br>
                  </li>
                  <li><a
href="https://www.ecologique-solidaire.gouv.fr/laccessibilite-du-stationnement-et-carte-mobilite-inclusion-cmi"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.ecologique-solidaire.gouv.fr/laccessibilite-du-stationnement-et-carte-mobilite-inclusion-cmi</a><br>
                  </li>
                  <li><a
href="http://www.handicap-info.fr/carte/carte-europeenne-de-stationnement-ex-gic-gig/"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.handicap-info.fr/carte/carte-europeenne-de-stationnement-ex-gic-gig/</a><br>
                  </li>
                </ul>
              </div>
              <div><span
style="text-align:start;text-indent:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">A+
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                <div class="gmail_quote">Le 18 mars 2018 à 19:55, marc
                  marc <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                    Le 18. 03. 18 à 19:39, PanierAvide a écrit :<br>
                    <span class="gmail-">> En ce qui concerne les
                      places PMR, j'ai pour habitude de renseigner un<br>
                      > combo amenity=parking_space +
                      capacity:disabled=1 + wheelchair=yes (si<br>
                      > la place est vraiment accessible, ce qui
                      n'est pas toujours le cas).<br>
                      > J'ai cru comprendre qu'il y avait aussi
                      possibilité d'utiliser<br>
                      > parking_space=disabled.<br>
                      ><br>
                      > Ma question est la suivante : quelle est donc
                      la bonne pratique sur la<br>
                      > question des places PMR ? Car ça vaudrait le
                      coup de s'accorder et de<br>
                      > l'expliciter sur le wiki :-)<br>
                      <br>
                    </span>Je me suis posé la même question le mois
                    passé et je n'ai pas trouvé<br>
                    de réponse satisfaisante.<br>
                    <br>
                    parking_space=disabled a l'air d'être une
                    spécificité franco-française<br>
                    ~7000 en France sur les ~8000 dans le monde<br>
                    c'est pas très cohérent avec parking=<type>
                    (en surface ou souterrain)<br>
                    <br>
                    à côté de cela, il y a :<br>
                    disabled=designated pour désigner que l'objet a été
                    fait pour une<br>
                    personne à mobilité réduite (à combiner souvent avec
                    access=no)<br>
                    <br>
                    ou<br>
                    access:disabled=designated<br>
                    access:role=no<br>
                    <br>
                    ou<br>
                    access:conditional=designated @ disabled<br>
                    <br>
                    chacun des 3 ayant été fait par des propals
                    différentes<br>
                    et à mon avis je ne serrais pas surpris qu'aucune
                    des 3 ne soie<br>
                    réellement utilisé au niveau "utilisation des
                    données"<br>
                    Je pense que ce serrait utile d'essayer de préciser
                    cela sur tagging<br>
                    <br>
                    quand à wheelchair=yes ou designated, pour moi il
                    est différent du reste<br>
                    puisqu'il indique que c'est utilisable (ce qui est
                    fort différent de<br>
                    réservé à)<br>
                    <br>
                    Pour le moment, j'ai mis les 4 ou 5 ce qui n'est
                    évidement pas idéal.<br>
                    <br>
                    Cordialement,<br>
                    Marc<br>
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