<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On 8 Dec 2009, at 10:12, Brian Prangle wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">Hi Peter<br><br>Describing mappa-mercia as a local chapter is just a piece of "marketing licence" -it's easier this way to make a connection for the uninitiated to the project as a whole. Full spec of the server required will be appended.<br> How to broach your objective of further images from elsewhere? This is a tricky one - I was hoping that the spec of the server (I'm aiming at about 3X the reqirement for the W Mids) would encompass this. I'm now not sure whether we should be upfront about this. It moves away from the local angle, but this might actually encourage the unis to be involved in a global project but there again they might be frightened by a potentially open-ended commitment. I'll work on a wording today.<br></blockquote><div><br></div>I am happy with a 'stealth' approach to get them interested first as long as we understand that may grow and should certainly be available for other UK locations. It is of course also easy to upgrade a server as required so with that understanding I suggest the existing wording is fine.</div><div><br></div><div>The one big opportunity I think we should explore is whether we can expose the aerial photography to all Potlatch/JOSM users without horrible private passwords. I think the Rome supplier has terms and conditions that might allow that but it would need someone to take a look at it. What I am saying is that it is that area that could be most productive to pursue for now.</div><div><br></div><div>Fyi, ITO might be prepared to purchase aerial photography for our home town of Ipswich as part of our research effort and would need a place to host it. I would also encourage another major city, such as Sheffield to follow suit soon after you have proved the process. Open access to all OSM contributors would be a big bonus in that respect so again the Ts and Cs from the supplier matter.</div><div><br></div><div>Personally I think we should push Traveline a bit to get at least a nominal £500 (hopefully £900) from them on the basis that OSM allows people to find the bus stop and the associated footpaths - possibly the pitch to them is to support a UK wide initiative, not just a West Midlands initiative.</div><div><br></div><div>By the way, do check this out - zoom in and click on Stop Points (not Stop Areas) to link to the nextbus Traveline information directly. It seems a bit broken at present and doesn't work at all in B'Ham today but it might be in the middle of an update. This is a development version which scrapes the Traveline service with their permission.</div><div><a href="http://www.öpnvkarte.de/naptan.html?zoom=17&lat=52.05365&lon=1.17535&layers=BT">http://www.öpnvkarte.de/naptan.html?zoom=17&lat=52.05365&lon=1.17535&layers=BT</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Peter</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"> <br>Regards<br><br>Brian<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2009/12/7 Peter Miller <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:peter.miller@itoworld.com">peter.miller@itoworld.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div style="word-wrap: break-word;"><br><div><div class="im"><div>On 7 Dec 2009, at 17:25, Brian Prangle wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><span style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"><div> Hi everyone<br><br>In order to maximise our funds for satellite imagery I'm going to ask all the Unis in our region if they'd like to host the images for us. Please have a look at the following text which is a first draft of the email I'm going to send ( I'll dress it up with a few examples, a couple of images and some URLs)<br> <br></div></span></blockquote><div><br></div></div>It's good to see this moving forward.</div><div><br></div><div>Btw, Is Mappa mercia really a signed up local chapter? I wasn't aware that there were any in the UK.</div> <div><br></div><div>I do hope that any hosting you seek out is suitable for hosting satellite photography for other places in the world, or at least the UK. My offer is support is on the understanding that we are creating a system that can easily be extended to host further data.</div> <div><br></div><div>I suggest you include some indication of the number of servers, the power requirement, the bandwidth requirement etc in your request for help, or at least have that information immediately ready for the request to come in. It will of course be a bit of a guess but people can't make decisions without any figures to work with.</div> <div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Peter</div><div><br></div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><span style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"><div> <div class="im">Regards<br><br>Brian<br><br><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; line-height: 17px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;">Invite</p><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; line-height: 17px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;"> <br></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; line-height: 17px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;">We are inviting your department to participate in the work of the local chapter of OpenStreetMap, which we have named mappa mercia</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; line-height: 17px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;">OSM</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; line-height: 17px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;"> OpenStreetMap is a global voluntary project to produce a completely new digital map of the entire planet based on opensource principles and free of all copyrighted data.<span> </span><span> </span>Volunteers gather geospatial data by using consumer-grade GPS devices and simple observation, uploading their data online and editing it to produce maps using a variety of open source cartographic tools. There are currently 190,000 users who have<span> <span> </span></span>added over 130 million GPS points and<span> <span> </span></span>37 million ways to the database.</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; line-height: 17px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;">Aerial Imagery</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; line-height: 17px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;"> Local mappers ( approximately 100 people ) substantially completed the map of Birmingham and Solihull within the motorway ring in December 2008. Current focus is on completing the Black Country and improving the quality and detail of what was mapped in 2008.</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; line-height: 17px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;">So that we can complete the city centre where GPS traces are highly inaccurate due to “ghosting” effects of<span> <span> </span></span>high rise buildings<span> <span> </span></span>we have raised funds to purchase geo-referenced satellite imagery to 2 metre resolution. This will also enable us to trace building outlines and service roads where we cannot obtain ground access. Eventually we aim to raise sufficient funds<span> <span> </span></span>to purchase satellite imagery for the whole West Midlands county.</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; line-height: 17px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;">Server</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; line-height: 17px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;"> In order for local mappers to edit<span> <span> </span></span>the satellite imagery we require a server to host the images. Whilst we could obtain<span> </span>hosting services commercially, we want to maximise the area of satellite imagery we can purchase. This is a wonderful opportunity for a local educational institution to join a local effort which is ground-breaking in its approach to digital mapping.<span> <span> </span></span><span> </span>UCL already kindly provide the core servers for our poject.<span> <span> </span></span>Full specifications of what we require are appended</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; line-height: 17px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;">Student Projects</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; line-height: 17px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;"> Our project is unique in mapping terms because we make the data from which maps are rendered, openly available to software developers to build applications and render maps in new and exciting ways.<span> <span> </span></span>Data is available for the entire planet and there are literally hundreds of potential projects. In the West Midlands alone we have about a dozen immediate projects. Some examples have been appended</p> <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; line-height: 17px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;"> <br></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;"> We can provide further information on request and would be pleased to present in detail the goals and methods of OpenStreetMap. We hope you can provide local support to our project. There is a nonprofit legal entity , the OpenStreetMap Foundation which<span> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">acts as<span> </span><span> </span>custodian for the servers and services necessary to host the OpenStreetMap project and the<span> </span><a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">www.openstreetmap.org</a><span> </span>domain name and provides an organisational focus for donors, sponsors and co-operating bodies</span></p> <br></div><div class="im">_______________________________________________<br>Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org</a><br> <a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands" target="_blank">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands</a><br></div></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></blockquote></div> <br></blockquote></div><br></body></html>