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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I have a retired highways engineer contact for Sandwell. He’s investigating for me. More once I hear back.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Andy<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Brian Prangle [mailto:bprangle@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> 24 October 2011 10:13<br><b>To:</b> Gareth Illmann-Walker<br><b>Cc:</b> talk-gb-westmidlands<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Sandwell Gritting Routes<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Gareth<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Many thanks for your offer of help, but ED is correct - we've already utilised the text route directions published by Walsall Council to complete our gritting map. What would be of great benefit would be for someone to check the inconsistencies we found (see below) and feedback to us. Also it would be great if you could keep us up to date of any changes ot gritting routes.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Regards<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Brian<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div style='mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-bottom:solid #AAAAAA 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 2.0pt 0cm'><h2 style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:7.2pt;margin-left:0cm;mso-line-height-alt:14.25pt;border:none;padding:0cm;background-attachment:initial;background-origin: initial;background-clip: initial;background-color:initial;overflow-x: hidden;overflow-y: hidden'><span class=mw-headline><span style='font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black;background:white'>Walsall Gritting</span></span><span style='font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black;background:white'><o:p></o:p></span></h2></div><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:0cm;line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";background:white'>Walsall's gritting routes are in the PDF at <a href="http://www.walsall.gov.uk/index/winter_service.htm"><span style='color:#3366BB;text-decoration:none'>http://www.walsall.gov.uk/index/winter_service.htm</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:0cm;line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";background:white'>There are 16 routes (p14 onwards); 8 priority 1and 8 priority 2, all centred on Cable Drive depot, at <a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.59793&lon=-1.99386&zoom=16&layers=M"><span style='color:#3366BB;text-decoration:none'>http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.59793&lon=-1.99386&zoom=16&layers=M</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:0cm;line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";background:white'>If you are able & willing to tag one of these routes with:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:18.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>§<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";background:white'>maintenance=gritting<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:18.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>§<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";background:white'>gritting=priority_1 (routes 1-8)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:18.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>§<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";background:white'>gritting=priority_2 (routes 9-16)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:18.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>§<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";background:white'>gritting_route_ref=1 (numbers 1-8)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:18.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>§<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";background:white'>gritting_operator=Walsall MBC (The latter mainly to differentiate from neighbouring authorities)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:38.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";background:white'>- Andy Mabbett - Done.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:38.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";background:white'>- Andy Mabbett - (problem: p17, After first "stop gritting", no "start gritting" before next "stop"; I've assumed gritting starts again on Littleton Street East, otherwise, why is the lane specified?). Owen Road & Birmingham Street sections also confusing. References to "Anson Road Junction"/ "Anson Junction" make no sense. Ends with two "stop gritting" sections. - Stopped at first "Anson" reference.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:38.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";background:white'>- Andy Mabbett - After Broadway, where is TR from West Bromwich Road to West Bromwich Street? - Otherwise, done.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:38.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>4.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";background:white'>- Andy Mabbett - Done.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:38.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>5.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";background:white'>- Andy Mabbett - Why the apparent detour, up and down Spring Road, without gritting? "Lichfield Street Left Slip Road" added to map. - Done.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:38.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>6.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";background:white'>- Andy Mabbett - lines 3-5 ("Foley Rd") not clear - Otherwise, done.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:38.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>7.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";background:white'>- Andy Mabbett - Norton Road does not run to boundary, so assume this includes part of Lime Lane?; No Wyrley Road, so assume Wyrley Lane; Can't find Castle Road off Howdles Lane. - Done.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:38.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>8.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";background:white'>- Brian - `Problems follow: Bradford St TL to Corporation St TR Pleck Road - couldn't make any sense of these directions. Entrance to and exit from Park Road Bloxwich is ambiguous; is my choice the correct one? High St Bloxwich TL and start gritting Green Lane: is the slip road the route and does it get gritted? Also TL from High St is into Somerfield Road which only becomes Green Lane after the roundabout according to our data. - DONE<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:38.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>9.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";background:white'>- Brian Problems follow Essington Rd TR Dorchester Rd should be TL. DONE<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:38.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>10.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";background:white'>- Brian Problems follow Is Diversion due to Bridge Closure on Bentley Road South still in operation? DONE<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:38.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>11.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";background:white'>- Brian Problems follow Wolverhampton St TR Pinfold St Stop Gritting should be TL. DONE<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:38.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>12.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";background:white'>- Brian DONE<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:38.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>13.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";background:white'>- Brian Problems follow: Chester Rd TR Lazy Hill Road should read TL.At end of route Chester Rd TR Castlehill Rd should read TL DONE<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:38.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>14.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";background:white'>- Brian Turn direction Daw End Lane to King George Crescent missing. Turn direction King George Crescent to Floyds Lane missing - have I chosen the correct direction? Broadway North TL Princes Avenue not sure I've used the correct route here. DONE<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:38.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>15.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";background:white'>- Brian DONE - there were problems but I lost all my wiki edits - they're only minor and the gritting route is complete<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.2pt;margin-left:38.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>16.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";background:white'>- Brian Problems follow: Harden Rd TR start gritting Coalpool Lane - Coalpool Lane is TL from Harden Rd. The Pinfold TL Goodhall St is Woodall St according to our data and OS StreetView. Ingram Road TR Start gritting Field Road SO The Pinfold - to do this you need Ingram Road TL. Wolverhampton Road TL Clarendon St you need TR. New St TR Stop gritting Clarendon ST TL Elmore Green Rd to get to Elmore Green Rd you need New St TL Clarendon St. DONE<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 23 October 2011 11:46, Gareth Illmann-Walker <<a href="mailto:subscribe@illmann-walker.com">subscribe@illmann-walker.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi all,<br><br>As I'm a councillor in Walsall and just happened to be on the Winter Planning Sub-Committee, I'm more than happy to ask for the routes (for Walsall) on your behalf, can't think of any reason they'd not give them me.<br><br>However as I've been out with the gritters you should note that the routes start and stop quite a lot so they're not like one continuous route. This is because there is crossover in terms of the routes the drivers have to take to get to the roads they actually have to grit.<br><span style='color:#888888'><br>Gareth</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br>On 22/10/2011 14:55, Brian Prangle wrote: <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi everyone <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks to Andy Mabbett for showing us where these files are located. I went to start editing one of the gritting routes today and discovered that the pdf files are all crown copyright maps derived from the OS so are in fact useless for our purposes- what we need are text-based descriptions - ideally the actual routes given to the gritting drivers as published by Solihull, Wolverhampton and Walsall; or a list of streets as published by Birmingham<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Regards<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Brian<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands" target="_blank">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands</a><o:p></o:p></pre></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org">Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands" target="_blank">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=1 width="100%" noshade style='color:#A0A0A0' align=center></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>No virus found in this message.<br>Checked by AVG - <a href="http://www.avg.com">www.avg.com</a><br>Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2092/4570 - Release Date: 10/23/11<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></body></html>